CPTkid, sorry i got off track, but it think the celica is the best buy. You pay a premium price, but you get a premium car. Excellent on mileage and reliabilty. Also, the convertibles are somewhat rarer nowadays. As for the mustang, the v6's are quit common and they wouldn't cost all that much more than a hardtop. But they don't look very nice IMO. The camaro convetible is "alright", i think the firebird/trans am's look better though. Th spyder is a great little car though, a good all around performer. But my vote goes to the celica. </P>


As for the perfomance of a celica, they come with a 2.2l engine called the 5s-fe. It's the same engine in the camry(the car that helped build the toyota reputation), so it's a very economical engine. Replacement parts for the car should be abundant, so if the engine goes out, finding a replacement isn't hard at all. The celica also has a cloth top, which is more durable than the vinyl top used on many domestics. it gets my vote.</P>

 

Are you talking about dsm.org? If so, than I do consider dsmtuners better than it. Club dsm(dsm.org) is dead. I belive Todd Day is out of the scene. I doubt it will be back up and running like it used to unless someone else takes over. But I could be wrong.</P>


Mitsubishi would have done a recall if there were enough cases of it. Apperently there wasn't so there was no need to. They were talking about 2g 4g63s on tuners btw.</P>


Just because you are correct on one fact, does not mean you are correct on all facts.</P>


Oh, just because they make their cars flashy and look good, does not discredit their intelligence. GASP crome wheels! There are many people on that board that know a lot more about these cars than you will ever.</P>

 

Being that all the major drag DSM drivers, many reputable DSM vendors, personal owners, and thousands of others post on DSMTuners, I find it a very reliable source of information.</P>


Ricey people? I highly think not. Mostly all of that board is turbo applications looking for pure speed. Most "rice" stay away from our boards.</P>

 

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Wow dude...you're smoking something. Check this post out --&gt; http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthre...hreadid=114339</P>


Done? Okay..now check out our 1/4 mile times at http://dsmtuners.com/forums/quartermilelist.phpNow lets see YOUR forum's 1/4 mile listings.</P>


Now tell me DSMTUNERS (Tuners being the key word) is unreliable when it comes to 'tuning'.</P>


Obviously you're very judgemental to judge a forum by ONE post (Let alone one dude with chrome wheels..and agreed, whoever that is needs to be shot). In fact, even talking/debating rice in the forums will automatically get the thread locked. Can you say that about these forums?? (Generic name, anyone??).</P>


With people like John Shepherd posting in these forums, I'll dare you AGAIN to discredit Dsmtuners's knowledge. Us at DSMtuners.com take pride in the fact that we revolve mainly around performance. 90 percent of the people on there frown GREATLY at 'ricey people'. I've lost count, the number of threads that have been closed due to a gang of people making fun of a noobie's giant wing or 'ricey' styling in his car.</P>


Bottom line, come check out the forums...if you're still having doubts, check out the Extreme Tech Forum here --&gt; http://dsmtuners.com/forums/forumdis...amp;forumid=23</P>


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Check it out...compare DSMtuners to ClubDSM and VFAQS. That's my argument. I doubt i need elaborate. I'll give you that the adanced tech forum is good, but it doesn't speak for the rest of the site. I'm not sure how long DSMTuners has been around, but ClubDSM and VFAQSis what most DSMer's still rely on for info. It may be old, but consider it a lesson in history. Plus, a good few of the tech articles are taken directly from ClubDSM and the VFAQS.I along with others don't like DSMTuners, i guess i visited when there were only ricer's over there and it gave me a bad impression. But when i go over there now and look in the Engine&amp;Fuel sectionof the artciles and see a few different ways to "make home-made race gas"... i kinda tend to believe the ricers are still there.</P>


I said good day!!!(that's a joke....with...70's show...nevermind)</P>

 

Again you must have missed the point of the site. Most DSM guys I know would rther make something and save a few bucks then buy an expensive product. I dont know to many ricer that could even tell you what octane rating ment let alone how to raise it and why that is beneficial. There are a decent amount of members on Tuners that are also on NABR and I dare you to say that NABR has a lack of knowledge or is ricey.</P>


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Most DSMer's i know don'tcheap itat the track. I've put race gas in my spyder once, it didn't help very much. My turbo friends put it in their cars and it did make a difference. Now whenever they go they buy the race gas(it'ssomewhat cheap here in Ohio). I haven't looked at the tech articles on making the race, but that sounds like a fairly dangerous procedure. Most DSM guys(and sane people for that matter) don't really want to mess with gasoline. </P>


NABR is a good site, and i'll "think" that you missed my point about a few good forums on dsmtuners, but a few doesn't speak for all. I'd imagine the NABR guys would tend to stay in the NABR forums though, much like DSM guys stay in DSM forums and Honda guys stay in Honda forums. I'm not saying that there are no NABR members in dsmtuners, There's probably a good bit, but you got members who try to "purify" gasoline....<IMG src=smileys/smiley11.gif border="0"></P>

 

Even though someone may have used the term purify doesnt mean they are a ricer. All he is doing is adding a chemical to raise the octane rating at a cheaper price than octane booster and you can make it in whatever strength you want. If you are worried about playing with gas then perhaps cars arent yor thing, after all its just gas.Part of that is for people who arent as lucky as us and they cant get high octane fuel with driving super far or at all. So, again I dont see the rice element. i could see if he had a post on how to polish you light up exhaust tip but there is non of that.</P>


NABR is a DSM board that can only be joined after you have proven that you or there to gain and give knolwedge on making your DSM fast not ricey. Only the best of the best are on that board and everyone respects it, they might not agree with it but they do respect it.</P>


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You know, i don't even remember what i'm debating here. I'm gonna quit posting about this, you guys can have your way. DSMTuners is a great site that's very knowledgeble. NABR is also a great site. There are hardly any ricers on DSMTuners. There are NO ricers on NABR. Are you guys happy yet?</P>


For colussus, here ya go. 2g manuals came with a 14b. 1g automatics came with a 12g. Losing 200lbs will net you .1seconds in the 1/4 mile. I am completely wrong about 40% crankwalk cases. I am also very wrong on most all of the advice i have given. I'm not a true dsmer. My car has a 420a. </P>


if you guys aren't happy yet, tell me what else i should do and i'll do it.</P>

 

1G manuals came with the 14B <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0"></P>


I already corrected what I needed to. I said, or at least I ment to say if I haven't already, that I was somewhat confused about the turbo debate. I said the 2g manuals and autos differ, when it was the 1g's. I focus on 1g turbos, and know little about 2g turbos.</P>


You just relie heavily on vfaq, like it's a bible. Yes, it is great, but there are other places to learn from than a site with nothen but FAQ's and How-To's. DSMTuners relies heavily on this site also. The 40% I think is still a bit hefty, as when most figure crankwalk, they base is souly on 7 bolt motors, or at least so I've seen.</P>


I don't have a problem with you, and we did fight it out, and I had been told on several occasions, several places, that around 200 pounds saves you about .1 in the 1/4, maybe they were mistaken, I don't know. I'm not a fan of weight reduction. I drive my cars daily, and I like my comforts (minus my loss of AC in the gsx). So, I drag and drive my car fully loaded with what came standard in the car. If my car can't make the time without losing parts, I don't consider as powerful as it could or should. I'm not trying to race a go-kart looking car, stripped to hell. I prefer to keep my seats, glass windows, normal hood, etc. So, I don't know, I was just stating what I had been informed.</P>