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promxz24 Oct 17, 2004 09:38 PM

Rebuild 1st gen
 
I have a 94' Eclipse, about how many hours does it take a shop to do a motor rebuild? Second, the 2.0 would be a direct bolt on for a front wheel drive 1.8 manual correct?

promxz24 Oct 18, 2004 12:17 AM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
Also, I went to start the car today, battery totally dead. After hooking up a nrew one and trying to start it, the motor smelt like it is flooded beyond belief.

To those who dont know, about two wks ago my temp gauge skyrocketed and I drove a little ways and then would let cool down. However, each time the car got harder and harder to start. After like the third time, I was doing about 50mph when slowly the car started t slow down and electrical things began not working and then it just died, obviously the car was smoking a little bit when I opend the hood due to it starting to heat up again. Today when I tried starting it and found out my battery wasnt sparking, I went to unhook the battery to find that the terminals where on very lose. So, I am wondering, could the battery possibly have gone dead when car began to overheat and thus causing me to lose power, and then finally die and not restart later on? There are no signs of a blown head gasket nor do I see any cracks in the block. Whats everones opinion on this?

promxz24 Oct 18, 2004 09:20 PM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
Well I have a few ideas, I have determined that I do not believe it is blown so...The overheating was due to one of the following...fan not turning on, waterpump, thermostat however even though I did not see any leak under radiator, I somehow managed to lose fluid after a few days.

As far as car not restarting that night...Battery totally ****ed due to loose connection or bad alternator. Af far as not starting yesterday..not too sure because it would almost crank over but not quite, also it smelled like it was flooded like hell after trying to start. So, this leaves either the fuel pump to blame or no spark?

What is everyones ideas or conclusions on my thoughts?

EclipseGSRoadRacer Oct 19, 2004 09:49 AM

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In all honesty, you should keep the option of the head gasket going as one possibility. Usually, if the water pump goes, the antifreeze will spew out of the radiator from under the cap, from the resovoir, or directly from the weep hole on the water pump. However, if antifreeze IS leaking out of the weep hole on the water pump, you might not always be able to see any puddles, but will be able to smell the antifreeze. If there is not even any scent of antifreeze, the possibility of the head gasket being blown has to be looked into. If the head gasket blows, then the antifreeze and oil have a nice chance of mixing, so you'll get: a) oil in your antifreeze, b) antifreeze in your oil, or c) both mixing together. A car I had had the antifreeze mix into the oil. So do yourself a favor and drain the oil. If it looks a little like sludge or looks 'lumpy' (sorry for not having a better way to describe it), then you got a blown head gasket. As long as you don't keep overheating your car, you should be fine just replacing the head gasket. But if you keep on overheating it, you run into the possibility of warping the head, which is gonna then need to be sent out. Good luck and I hope this helps any.

darkman0127 Oct 19, 2004 04:05 PM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
As far as losing power you may want to look at your fuel pump also. I had an 86 Ford Ranger, I know, no relation to a Mitsu, but that was what would happen to it. Didn't like to start, and would lose power once it got up to temp. After to replaced the pump it was fine.

promxz24 Oct 19, 2004 05:26 PM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
Ok, as far as the oil goes, I looked at the oil and it seems to be normal, its a little dark and I am going to change it asap so I know it is clean. I guess right now first of all I need to get the car started but I am confused to as why when I try and start it, it smells flooded. my best option right now is to replace plugs and wires and get a new battery and to also check that my fuel pump is turning on. as far as overheating, its got to be the water pump or the thermostat. Any other suggestions as far as why it smells flooded when I try and start it would be appreciated! Thanks for the ongoing help.

1398spdr Oct 19, 2004 08:19 PM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
as far as it flooding, it shouldnt be the fuel pump, if it was you wouldnt get any gas to the engine and therefore couldnt flood the engine.............

promxz24 Oct 20, 2004 12:14 AM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
Ok, so now I have replaced the battery, plugs and wires and heres what happened: So I went to turn it over and it would crank but not quite turn over, it sounded close but not quite. So then I took the radiator cap off which is located on top of water pump to see if there was flow but it was hard to see because there was a small amount of white smoke coming out. I also looked inside the valve cover and nothing was really moving a whole lot, I also saw some oil down in there which when you look closely at, has a little hint of gray to it depending on light. Anyone have any ideas why she wont turn over?

EclipseGSRoadRacer Oct 20, 2004 09:47 AM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
It seems to me like it might be the head gasket. You will lose power if the antifreeze mixes with the oil, cause the antifreeze has very low viscosity and therefore the engine has to work harder due to increased friction, and more friction means more heat, and more heat means everything inside is expanding. With the expanding and extreme rise in temperature caused by lack of lubrication, you run a nice risk of seizing up the engine, which would leave you with a nice 1.8 paperweight. Oil discoloration seems to almost always mean a bad head gasket. I know cause I had enough experiences with blown head gaskets from my own cars and all my friends calling me to fix there rides. Again, it's really hard to diognose a problem since I'm not actually there, but when it comes to major components and replacements, better safe than sorry. Even if it's not the headgasket (which I think it is) replacing it can never hurt. The head gasket itself runs around $30 for your car, and a head set will run about $70 (which contains most of the gaskets, like exhaust and intake manifolds, and the such). And if you don't know how to do it, the Haynes manual costs under $20. Just remember, take your time, rushing will cause you to overlook important things, as insignificant as they may seem at the time, which may prove to be more costly.

promxz24 Oct 20, 2004 03:47 PM

RE: Rebuild 1st gen
 
Just did compression test and are as follows:

60 30 60 60

Not good...Head Gasket?


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