Don't get me wrong, I love my Outlander, but 2009 and older models have a lesser AWD system than the Subie. I feel duped by Mitsu here b/c of the 'selectable' AWD - 2wd for economy, 4wd auto for 'just in case' during inclement weather, and 4wd lock for full-time awd, like Subaru, right? Wrong. 4wd 'lock' is not lock but only increases 50% more torque to the rear wheels when COMPARED to 4wd auto - it doesn't actually provide full-time awd, like Subaru. Between the 2, Subaru has the better/more predictable driving system for poor traction conditions (all other things, such as tires and driver skill, being equal).

I hear though this may change in 2010, at least AWC will be available. And it will get a LSD, where for the 2007-2009 model the designers claimed one wouldn't be required. I still love my Outie though!

 

2010 Forester, might be worth considering, not only for AWD, but they finally include navi and bluetooth, although no HIDs.

 

thats actually wrong. 4 wheel lock gives the outlander a 50/50 torque split from from to back all the time. 4WD only puts power to the rear when the front wheels spin and 2WD is only to the rear wheels.
According to a technical trainer with Mitsubishi Canada, who is an automotive engineer and used to work with Ford developing drive trains, Mitsubishi's All Wheel Control system is far more advanced than Subi's system. I would like a LSD in it though.

 

I was surprised about the truth behind the Outies AWD system as well and eventually found this from Mitsu's own press release in 2006 re: the 2007 Outlander:

"When "4WD Auto" mode is selected, the Outlander 4WD system always sends some power to the rear wheels, automatically increasing the amount under full-throttle acceleration. The coupling transfers up to 40 percent of available torque to the rear wheels under full-throttle acceleration, and this is reduced to 25 percent over 40 mph. At steady cruising speeds, up to 15 percent of available torque is sent to the rear wheels. At low speeds through tight corners, coupling torque is reduced, providing a smoother feel through the corner.

"For driving in particularly challenging conditions, such as snow, the driver can select "4WD Lock" mode. In Lock mode, the system still apportions front and rear torque automatically, but enables greater power transfer to the rear wheels. For example, when accelerating on an upgrade, the coupling will transfer more torque to the rear wheels immediately, helping to ensure that all four wheels get traction. In contrast, an automatic on-demand part-time system would allow front wheel slippage before transferring power, which could hamper acceleration.

"In dry conditions, 4WD Lock mode places priority on performance. More torque is directed to the rear wheels than in 4WD Auto mode to provide greater power off the line, better control when accelerating on snowy or loose surfaces, and enhanced stability at high speeds. Rear wheel torque transfer is increased by 50 percent over the amounts in 4WD Auto mode - meaning up to 60 percent of available torque is sent to the rear wheels under full-throttle acceleration on dry pavement. When in 4WD Lock mode, torque at the rear wheels is reduced by a smaller degree through corners than with 4WD Auto mode."

As you can see, 4wd 'lock' does not lock the torque split 50:50, although I did get the numbers wrong, it sends upto 60%, not 50%, more torque to rear when compared to 4wd auto. Rather 4wd 'lock' is really 4wd (auto) enhanced. I'd still take it over a 'real-time' system from others such as Honda though.

WRT Mitsu's AWC being superior, that is debatable and depends on the conditions, which is why I did not state the Subie is 'superior', but that it offers more predictable driving during low traction conditions - rather than waiting for slip and transfer, power is already at the rear wheels. This is why a 'full-time awd' is generally considered to offer better traction than 'real or part time awd', and even in 4wd 'lock', the Outie is considered to be in the latter with the Subie in the former. The advantage of the latter though is improved fuel consumption throughout the year, especially when your real risk levels may not ever warrant 'full-time awd'.

Ask the tech writer from Mitsu Canada though about how the 4wd 'lock' in the 2G Outtie works, in case I may have mis-interpreted their initial press release. If it does actually lock torque to front and rear, I would be very very happy.

Curiously though you will note that many people, including journalists assume that the 'lock' is 50:50, whereas there are no technical specifications whatsoever that state the 50:50 split. Google it, look it up in your manual, only 3rd party reviews ever refer to 50:50 split. Which is why I say Mitsu duped all us into this 'lock' label nonsense.

 

And the same press release had this to say about not requiring a LSD:
"The traction control portion of ASTC provides a "virtual" limited-slip differential effect by helping to prevent wheel spin during start up and acceleration in slippery conditions. Even if the driver has not selected 4WD Auto or 4WD Lock modes on a 4WD Outlander model, front wheel spin can be controlled under a variety of conditions. Since a mechanical limited-slip differential is not required, weight is reduced."

Guess for 2010 they changed their mind about a LSD not being required, unless its going to be another virtual electronic LSD.

 

I never said that the current AWD system found in Outlanders is superior to the Forester AWD, I just said it's not any worse, each has its advantages and disadvantages but no one can really say that one if vastly superior over another. BUT Mitsubishis SAWC (found in Evo X and looks like it will be available in more Mitsu products) is by far more advanced than anything Subaru (or actually 99% of all other manufacturers) currently have.

 

Sorry for the confusion Blitz - I was really responding to the post about the tech writer for Mitsu Canada stating their AWC is far more advanced to anything Subie has.

In terms of poor traction conditions (i.e. ice and snow) though, full-time awd like what subie offers provides better traction, all things being equal such as tires and throttle input, than real-time awd like in the 2G Outtie. I only raise this point b/c most folks considering a CUV in the great white north get the awd primarily for snow conditions, even though ironically most will then not bother getting winter tires.

Knowing this though I still prefer the Outtie over the Forester - says how much further ahead the Mitsu scored over a direct competitor. In fact, from my own subjective evaluation (and getting closer to the OP topic), the Forester only scored better in the AWD department and interior quality. Too many other things lacking in the Forrester when compared to the Mitsu. If fuel consumption was a higher priority for me the fact that the Forrester offers a stick-shift is appealing as I prefer manual. But I wanted more power and wasn't willing to pay extra MSRP and premium gas for the XT, plus losing 2(!) gears.

 

There were some technical I wasn't even aware of. Next time the trainer comes down from Ontario I will certainly ask more detailed information on the 4WD system.

 

i though 2WD was to the front only.....

 

yes that is correct. the image on the display also shows this when you move the selector into 2wd.