Yes, but one thing I noticed in England, when I was there during a TDY is that the neighborhood watched out for the neighborhood kids. Not so in America where privacy is a standard held very high.
No parenting isn't all, there are a ton of variables. Parenting is probably the easiest, clearcut thing that has "control" over kids. I'm not saying to keep kids on leash, I'm saying that when the adults know what the kids are doing, the kids are less likely to do bad things....in the open.
Kids are not how they used to be. When I was growing up the neighborhood helped look out for other kids and most of the neighbors knew each other and weren't afraid to say when someones kid was acting suspicious. Now, it's more common for folks to look the other way to not have to deal with it.
Kids before the whole "parenting PC style", never thought about bringing bombs to school, there were a lot less kids bringing guns to school and gunning fellow students down. If we had a beef with someone, we fought after school and then it was done. There's no standard guidance for kids anymore. Everyone just goes out and does "it", whatever "it" is.

This reminds me of driving home one night and there were a handful of kids on the street, walking. They stayed in the street even though the street is where cars go until they felt like moving? WTF? No respect for their own lives or the people behind them trying to get home after a long days work.
I've seen kids playig around my neighbors cars and no parents telling them that it's not theirs to do as they want. My neighbor came out and told them to stop and they looked at him like he was crazy? These kids were roughly 7 years old. When I was 7, my friends and I respected other peoples things.
Sure that's all a generalization and I know that not all kids (no matter how old) are like that, but they sure are mulitplying.

I can say that, because that's what I see. No, not every single kid out there, but a good portion of kids just don't care and aren't taught to care.

Sebba, you can tell me that I can't say that when, you're my age and you've seen how things have evolved.

 

LOL your on. See you in 15 years!

 

Lol.
I forgot to mention that I don't believe in hitting my son or any kid (other parents that is), but some are really hard headed and it seems that they just need the stupidity smacked out of them sometimes. Everyone has at least one friend like this.

 

Thats fair. Personally i dissagree. I think kids need the shock of a smack. Not an *** beating. Pain isnt needed, just shock. Its how the human body works.

There was a doctor long ago.. i forget his name. He wrote a book saying that hitting kids is wrong and dosent do what its intended. Years later he wrote another book publicly apologising for his misinformation.

 

Professionals: Any type of physical punishment (ex.: belt, spanking, etc.) is very traumatizing to a kid, and can lead to behavioral and [straight out] bad problems later in life.

I was punished with a hard slap either on the *** or my arm, or a hard smack with a belt, or a sandle, and I'm in no way traumatized, or have problems socializing, or behavior problems. I'm actually thankful that I was disciplined... I hope kids nowadays were disciplined the same way I was. I was in the store a while back and some little kid was telling his mom that he wanted this candy bar... and she said "No." He kept throwing his fit, and when she said "No. No is no, and you're not getting it!" this lil kid (prolly about 5) yelled at her "**** YOU!" i was like "DAMMMNN! SLAP HIM" (in my mind) and she didnt do anything.

 

Stupid bitch. That kid is going to run her life.

Dude, a kids first day at school is very traumatizing. So WHAT! Thats why i said, pain is not what you are trying to achieve. Just a shock and recognition of wrong doing.

I got a whoopin when i needed it.

 

I was born and raised under this tree too. So, were a lot of people....
but this is what I was trying to say, parents no longer pay their kids the attention and then kids do what they want, just like your example Alex.
The only thing that is traumatizing about hitting a child is how it makes them stop what it was that they were just doing and to listen to you. It will eventually help them understand that what the parent says is done and not just ignored. At least that's my thinking. I'm not saying to strike a child for accidentally stepping on your toes. I chose not to strike my son unless it's something important...don't touch that electrical socket, kind of thing.
Every child is different and respond to things differently, but a pop on the butt sure does grab their attention FAST! Lol.
Discipline does not equal abuse. I know some of you reading this thread is thinking that hitting a child is child abuse, but there really is a difference. Hitting a child for things a child will do like say "no" at ages 2-4, that's abuse. Hitting a child for taking a rock and throwing it at another, that's discipline. The list goes on, but there is a fine line. Nowadays, if you put your hands up in that manner, that's abuse...wtf?!
I agree with you Sebba, that you don't "beat" a child because that's abuse.
Man, I could go on and on with this, lol.

 

my daddy kicked the **** outta me when i did womething wrong, OOOHH DAAAMMNN when my mom said "CHARLIE!" i went running...and i guess it had no effect causze now i'm a college student have a job and doing good...

need i mention sebba threadjackd his own thread? lol

 

wow you guys live in some f'd up areas. I have never had a bomb threat in my school

 

theyhate you until they see your wallet...then they hate you again after you give them $$$