Motor Swap
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Hey, sorry, i havent had much time to search through all of the forum yet... i know to swap a 420A with a 4G63 motor in a RS... but the RS model was all that i could afford at the time... now, i've put quite a bit of money and time into the body work in this eclipse, now i want to do motor work to it, and instead of wasting my time and building up the 420A, i wanna drop in a 4G63... now, is there any company that makes swap kits, as far as motor mounts, etc... or does it all need to be custom fabricated... because i know it will not just bolt up... thanks!
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It doesnt make any sense to me that they made these so different. all the extra money for tooling of machines to robots to the engineering...i dunno just seems kinda stupid to me. then again I dont know what exactly is so much different that it cant be done other than the motor mounts. Even still I dont see how it could cost thousands of dollars to do.
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well their are alot of things that need to be taken to light, some of the major ones are... the 420a is positioned to the left where the 4g63 is to the right, which means you will have to make every motor mount and tranny mount. The suspension is compleatly different and to acept the 63 drive train you need to re do the entire front suspension. You have to re wire the entire car, ecu, fuse box, spedo/tach... lots of fun right there. You need a different radiator/ hose setup to match the 63's setup. Lastly you need to change the entire fuel line supply, the 63 uses a different type of fpr setup then the 0a. After that its little things like the turbo, down pipe, oil lines, oh btw the charge pipes have to but custom fabed becuause the regular fmic kits for the gst wont fit on a 420a frame.
And for the other reply about why its so different. At the time mitsu was trying to get on its feet after the break up of the dsm corp. Dodge/chrysler were already making the neon and avangers that used the 420a and mitsu could get them from dodge for a cheap price. Which was easier then making more 4g63's which at the time they had found out how badly they had screwed up with the 7 bolt. Also dodge still has ties to mitsu today like how the stratus r/t uses a mitsu motor.
And for the other reply about why its so different. At the time mitsu was trying to get on its feet after the break up of the dsm corp. Dodge/chrysler were already making the neon and avangers that used the 420a and mitsu could get them from dodge for a cheap price. Which was easier then making more 4g63's which at the time they had found out how badly they had screwed up with the 7 bolt. Also dodge still has ties to mitsu today like how the stratus r/t uses a mitsu motor.
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RE: Motor Swap
ORIGINAL: slow420a
well their are alot of things that need to be taken to light, some of the major ones are... the 420a is positioned to the left where the 4g63 is to the right, which means you will have to make every motor mount and tranny mount. The suspension is compleatly different and to acept the 63 drive train you need to re do the entire front suspension. You have to re wire the entire car, ecu, fuse box, spedo/tach... lots of fun right there. You need a different radiator/ hose setup to match the 63's setup. Lastly you need to change the entire fuel line supply, the 63 uses a different type of fpr setup then the 0a. After that its little things like the turbo, down pipe, oil lines, oh btw the charge pipes have to but custom fabed becuause the regular fmic kits for the gst wont fit on a 420a frame.
And for the other reply about why its so different. At the time mitsu was trying to get on its feet after the break up of the dsm corp. Dodge/chrysler were already making the neon and avangers that used the 420a and mitsu could get them from dodge for a cheap price. Which was easier then making more 4g63's which at the time they had found out how badly they had screwed up with the 7 bolt. Also dodge still has ties to mitsu today like how the stratus r/t uses a mitsu motor.
well their are alot of things that need to be taken to light, some of the major ones are... the 420a is positioned to the left where the 4g63 is to the right, which means you will have to make every motor mount and tranny mount. The suspension is compleatly different and to acept the 63 drive train you need to re do the entire front suspension. You have to re wire the entire car, ecu, fuse box, spedo/tach... lots of fun right there. You need a different radiator/ hose setup to match the 63's setup. Lastly you need to change the entire fuel line supply, the 63 uses a different type of fpr setup then the 0a. After that its little things like the turbo, down pipe, oil lines, oh btw the charge pipes have to but custom fabed becuause the regular fmic kits for the gst wont fit on a 420a frame.
And for the other reply about why its so different. At the time mitsu was trying to get on its feet after the break up of the dsm corp. Dodge/chrysler were already making the neon and avangers that used the 420a and mitsu could get them from dodge for a cheap price. Which was easier then making more 4g63's which at the time they had found out how badly they had screwed up with the 7 bolt. Also dodge still has ties to mitsu today like how the stratus r/t uses a mitsu motor.
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RE: Motor Swap
ORIGINAL: EMonz57
thank you I didnt want to get into this all over again lol
thank you I didnt want to get into this all over again lol
I think its funny how some people percieve cars. Like the kid I sold my car to, I was talking to him the other day and he said that he re did the pcv valve set up on the car ( i wasent running one) and it gained 15hp and now runs the 1/4 mile at 14.2.... His reasoning behind that was that the car had a huge vac leak... I had a boost gauge hooked up to the car so I can deff say that it was alright. And he finished off by saying that he toped it out at 165 where 5th can only produce 153 and he was going to buy a neon awd swap for it.
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No disrespect but everything you listed in my mind doesn't add up to thousands of dollars. By no means does its sound like something you do in a weekend but doesn't sound impossible. Yea its quite a bit of work but if you have the skills to do it I dont think its as hard as it is time consuming. brackets & fuels lines are a pretty easy thing to do. There's no way to to make the 4g63 motor mounts work with a lil re-working? I dunno... maybe im just a see it to believe it kinda guy. I definetly can see if you are buying everything and/or paying someone to do it it would spendy as hell. I dunno whatever i guess...not like i plan on doing it anyways