Buschur
 

So I've been looking to buy an evo for awhile now (finally found one in Indy) and i found an 05 evo 8 Mr, but when i popped the hood i saw all sorts of stuff that said Buschur, but i don't think I've ever heard of this company, the car is a little above $23,000 with a little over 32k miles on it. I'd prefer to buy a stock evo but those are few and on the other side of the country, anyways is Buschur a good performance company or some knock off company that does more harm than good?

Burshur is a big name in the EVO world. He's right up there with AMS.

sounds good then, but i dont think i'll be getting this evo, when i had the salesman start it i pulled the oil cap off and the magical black smoke rolled lol, oh well maybe the next one i find

Why would you remove the cap? Just get a leakdown and compression test. That will assure you the motor is fine. I highly doubt a buschur tuned and modded car with that few of milage has any issues.

IMO I would rate Buschur above AMS quality. I think they have become the cornerstone for the 4g63/4b11 motors. AMS is up there but they have also moved alot of attention to the N54 in the BMWs and some other cars. Buschur seems to still have new more up to date things coming out even for the 03-06 Evos.

but i dont know if buschur put the parts on the car since it was an auction car i think the previous owner did it himself not sure.

also i thought removing the cap and if smoke came out the engine was burning oil or something else?

It is a turbo motor it will burn some oil. If you remove the cap while the car is running or after it was just running for a while it will prob puff a little. For one it is hot inside and not as hot outside.

Trust me there is no way that car has a motor issue. I would highly doubt it. There are Evos with 200K on them and running more mods than bolt ons. The issue with these car is not the motor. It is the drivetrain. If the car was beaten on you would know it. THe tranny would struggle to go in gear it will feel notchy and grind and the drivetrain will howl and whine while driving (normal for first gear but not others)

I see, but i wasnt allowed to test drive the car without signing papers and putting down a $2500 deposit, the manager was a dick as well but im still looking for an evo, but with how everythings looking on finding one i might have to live with getting a gsx eclipse :( nothing wrong with them.. just prefer an evo lol

also just curious since everyone says the evo drivetrain sucks, is it just the transmission or is it the differentials and the transfer case as well? and i know the 5 speed is better than the 6 speed, are there any companies that sell built transmissions for these cars or beefed up internals for them like some hardend steel or something?

Nothing wrong with a GSX? Do you know anything about them? They are very very unreliable and break A LOT.

As far as the drivetrain on the Evo, It is really not that bad. Only the people who really abuse the cars or run alot of road course events and launching alot break them.

I had 40k miles on my car and it was around 400HP, the new owner is at like 90k and 505HP and it is still on the stock drivetrain minus the clutch. At 40k the stock clutch was still fine on my car and from 12k-37k was on bolt ons with a tune. I ran the 1/4 for 4 passes at around 400HP and the new owner has run the car in the 1/4 a bunch of times.

The parts that break are the syncros on the tranny and the gearing in the T case. both of which can be built by Shep racing and a few other companies.

The biggest thing is to be sure to change the fluids in the tranny, tcase and rear end every 10-15k miles and you will be fine.

I know the unreliability of the gsx eclipse and pretty much any and all 1 and 2g eclipse's but i mean as far as the transmission mainly, and it all sounds good as far as the evo go's just need to find one which seem's to be the biggest problem for me lol

I don't see how they are hard to find. They are almost more common than 2Gb GSX's. They were a mass produced car. I see them forsale online everywhere. Gotta keep an eye out for them.

All I gotta say is go test drive and Evo and you will NEED to own it.

Bushur Racing makes performance parts for Evo's.I don't have any installed in my car , so I can't attest to the quality or performance gains. While I like to mod my cars, I would prefer to buy a used car stock and then Mod it. The problem with buying Evo's or Sti's used is usually the car has been beaten to death and abused. Why that is almost the point of both of those cars because they are fun. I would rather find a low miles stock car and then mod and beat it to death myself. Just my 2 cents.

Id love to find a stock evo but that's like finding a particular needle in a stack of needle's just.. cant find that stack of needles lol i guess in my area they just don't show up for sale to often, im still looking for them hardcore though.

If you want to do it the smart way... Find the car that has the closest mods to the ones you want to do. Reason why.... from a person who heavily modded an even from stock............ It costs ALOT MORE to do it from scratch. You will have hiccups and headaches and you will at times loose the attraction to the car (if you go heavy in the modding and do the work yourself that is)

If I were to buy another Evo again I would find one with the closest mods to what I would want already on it. just for the sake of saving A LOT of $$

I'm not looking to heavily mod it at first all id really want for now is upgraded intake exhaust and hard piping maybe a tune, once i get one my money will be going to paying for it completely lol.

Maybe a tune? A tune is more important mod than anything else you listed..... The least important is intake. A tune alone will gain around 30WHP over stock. With a lower IC pipe, turbo back exhaust and a MBC and your tune you will gain around 50WHP is not a little more.

Not to mention stock the Evo gets around 200-220 miles to a tank of gas. After a tune you will get around 280-300 to a tank

more power and better mpg, wow, where and how much for one of these tunes lol

That all depends. You can mail your Ecu to places, you can Log yourself and email the logs to a tuner and get an email tune and you flash it in your self, you can bring your car to a dyno tuner and have them do it on spot or you can find someone who can road tune it.

Prices range from $100-$600 usually. You could learn the software your self and buy the nessassary things and tune it when ever where ever.

Here is a very good write up on the basics on where to start

http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflas...-tune-evo.html

thanks alot emonz, your a big help man

you got it, That is what we are here for.

Those are pretty contradictory statements. The Evo and the GSX both had 4g63s and similar drivetrains (at least the 90s Evos) and suffered from many of the same problems. The early 7bolt 4g63s had some crank walk but it was fixed. The tranny wasn't particularly strong but it was adequate for the cars. The TC was the real bitch because it leaked (often times little by little so you wouldn't really see the marks or droplets on the ground) and eventually the TC would run dry and lock up.

Otherwise I don't know of a lot of problems with them. Just check your fluid levels on your TC every few weeks to make sure you're okay, or put a white mat/towel under the car and if its stained you'll know you have to replace the seals on your TC.