Hey all,

WEll, I have a 2009 outlander and I just had my new Nokian Hakka R SUV put on new steel rims which I bought at the Mitsu dealership.

When the guy put them on (local tire shop), he told me that the rims I bought at the dealership were not hub centric but lugcentric) and that I may get vibrations due to improper seating on the hub.

Now my OEM alloys that came with the outlander (the 16 inch) are hubcentric and have lug nuts with washers on them.

I guess my question is are those original lug nuts that were obviously designed for hub centris rims going to be ok for the lug centric rims that my winters are on? I'm thinking no. Am I correct is saying that I need tapered lug nuts for the lugcentric rims that my winters are on? If so, any idea where I can get those.

As a side note, I did some searching and the part number on the steel rims I bought at Mitsu are the same part number as the multifit rims at Canadian Tire (but alot more money!!)....

Are all steel rims lugcentric? I owned a protege5 before this and I had no problems using the same lug nuts for both sets of tires (factory alloys and steel winters)...

Thanks for your help. I just want to make sure the vehicle is safe to drive and that the original lugnuts are going to be ok on these lugcentric rims.

Cheers!

 

any answers? I have those tires on right now and need to know if those lug nuts (mag style) are ok on a lugcentric rim? THey look pretty weird since there is about a half and inch from the rim surface to the washer - just doesn't look right.

Thanks.

 

Steel rims should have an acorn style nut. If you are using the "washer" style on a steel rim, you need to get some acorn style ones. They are a common thread and size. Any car parts place should have a set for you. These should work:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/20-MITSUBISHI-OUT...#ht_6982wt_774

 

Hey TCP,

Thanks for the response. All this is new to me and it is a bit confusing since no one told me anything different. I have never had to buy brand new winter tires so never had this problem. The winter tires and rims I had on my P5 must have been hubcentric since I never had an issue at all (they were also used when I bought them)

So I need tapered lug nuts size 12X1.5 for the regular old steel lugcentric rims correct?

What about hubcentric rings? All these do is help the centering of the wheel on the hub correct? It doesn't actually help take the weight off the lug nuts does it?

I have also read that you cannot balance lug centric rims the same way you balance hubcentric rims. These were balanced at Kal Tire and they used the cone through the center bore, but after researching this, they need to use some sort of adaptor so the rim is supported through the bolt holes...Does this really make a big differece?? Right now the vibes are pretty bad.

Again, sorry for all the questions, but I am certainly in the learning stage here.
Cheers,
dave

 

yup, tapered in 12 x 1.5. Those are super common on toyotas, hondas, mitsus, etc, so should be readily available. I don't think you can get rings for a steel wheel, the only ones i've ever seen have been for aluminum wheels. The weight bearing ability of hub centric rings has been a point of contention for years. I know the 1999 toyota 4runner uses lug centric wheels and requires a special adapter that goes only through the bolt holes. Kal tire should have those adapters available. the cone type may not get the wheels balanced properly. I believe the friction of the lugs pushing the wheel against the hub flange takes most of the weight, but I prefer hub centric wheels myself. Kal tire does sell winter rims for quite a good price...not much more than the steel rims, IIRC. I paid around $110 each for the core racing rims I use in the winter on my outie.

 

Thanks for the info. Yeah, It has just been a hassle. The dealership originally gave me two bent steel rims, and now I find out that the rims are multifit lugcentric rims which I could have gotten at Canadian tire (same part number X42655). I bought them at the dealership because they said they were "specific" to the outlander. I should just get alloy rims from Kal Tire and hope the dealership will let me return the steel rims.

One final question. How dangerous is it to drive with the mag style lug nuts on the steel rims since I have no choice since they are on the truck.

Thanks again!

 

until you can get the proper nuts, or change the rims. Those nuts are very common. I'd stop somewhere as soon as possible and get a set. Even Canadian tire will have them. That might be a part of the shaking issue you are experiencing right now as the wheels arent' being held on as well as they should be.

 

OK, thanks. I called CT but they only have 8 in stock ( 2 sets of 4). We live in a smaller town so there isn't a lot of choice here. I am hoping Kal Tire might have some since I have to go back there and see if they can rebalance it on the lug centric adapter (if they even have one).

Thanks for all the advice...learning lots!

Still a bit confused that neither mitsubishi nor Kal Tire mentioned any of these things to me - shouldn't they know those mag style lugs wouldn't fit those rims??? Doesn't give me a lot of faith in them.

 

but it's possible they have a tapered end, they do have to hold the spare tire on, should you have to use it. Maybe take one off just to check. If it has a taper, then it's more a visual issue than safety. I KNOW my sienna has flat ended lugs for the alloys and steel acorn nuts for the winter steel wheels, but I'm not going to insist the outlander's are flat...I just don't remember. In any case they should balance properly and not shake at speed.

All my wheels, alloy and steel for the sienna and original alloy and aftermarket alloy for the outlander are hub centric and each set has a specific lug nut that fits with it. These are listed as OEM and seem to have somewhat of a taper:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/MITSUBISHI-LUG-NU...f#ht_930wt_754

Maybe just take a single lug off and see if it fits into the concave depression of the steel wheel. If it does you may want the smaller acorn type so they don't look so strange. No rush in that case. Again, the tires should balance up regardless.

 

I just got off the phone with a different mitsu dealership and they said they give out acorn lug nuts with all their winter steel rim packages....So you were right on that one for sure. THe original lug nuts do have about a 3mm taper (they aren't 100% flat). I'm picking some up at NAPA after work.

Also, I called Kal Tire and they did say maybe hubcentric rings would help but the guy quoted me something like $75 for metal rings - I thought they were alot cheaper than that.

next time I'm getting hubcentric alloys!

Thanks again....