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New kit
Water/alky kit that is
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http://coolingmist.com/detailmain.aspx?pid=01250TBF
It's a basic kit though. I have plans to upgrade the kit with a progressive controller soon enough.
I don't have it installed yet because I'm rounding up some parts to make a bracket for the resevoir and pump.
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http://coolingmist.com/detailmain.aspx?pid=01250TBF
It's a basic kit though. I have plans to upgrade the kit with a progressive controller soon enough.
I don't have it installed yet because I'm rounding up some parts to make a bracket for the resevoir and pump.
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RE: New kit
I find it kinda interesting but i have a couple of questions.....
1 .- How does it work? (mainly, where is it injected)
2 .- Is it any different than the nos bottle that makes things go cool?
3 .- Is it performance wise, or car care wise? hehe
Sorry if im being an asker, you know me, ask to learn...
1 .- How does it work? (mainly, where is it injected)
2 .- Is it any different than the nos bottle that makes things go cool?
3 .- Is it performance wise, or car care wise? hehe
Sorry if im being an asker, you know me, ask to learn...
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RE: New kit
ORIGINAL: Kaede.Noir
I find it kinda interesting but i have a couple of questions.....
1 .- How does it work? (mainly, where is it injected)
2 .- Is it any different than the nos bottle that makes things go cool?
3 .- Is it performance wise, or car care wise? hehe
Sorry if im being an asker, you know me, ask to learn...
I find it kinda interesting but i have a couple of questions.....
1 .- How does it work? (mainly, where is it injected)
2 .- Is it any different than the nos bottle that makes things go cool?
3 .- Is it performance wise, or car care wise? hehe
Sorry if im being an asker, you know me, ask to learn...
For our motors, the best place to be sprayed from is from the upper intercooler piping/TB elbow area.
Injecting does similar to the bottle in the sense that it cools the intake charge and making the charge more dense. This allows you to turn up boost more with less to no knock, thus timing isn't retarded and the motor makes more power. It's also in the same sense as an FMIC where it cools the charge, W/I just cools it even more. Here's some more pros to this.
The main benefits of water injection are:
1. Will significantly help to prevent detonation. 2. Will raise the octane of the gas you are using. 3. By reducing detonation, this will allow you to increase boost or run lower octane. 4. Lowers air intake temperatures which keeps the engine cooler from the inside out. 5. Will literally steam clean the carbon deposits from within the engine.
Why Water/Methanol Injection? The primary function of water/methanol injection is to provide “chemical intercoolingâ€.
In gasoline engines, as with any intercooler, this suppresses detonation so more power producing boost and timing can be utilized. Water, with its high latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge and combustion. Methanol cools the charge and combustion but also acts like an extremely high octane fuel (some researchers claim as high as 120 octane) as well as adding more oxygen to combustion.
In diesels, the effect is three fold: 1. The intercooling effect provides for more available air and all the benefits of a higher positive pressure ratio (more power giving fuel can be utilized safely without high combustion temperatures). 2. The combustion of water provides for more power on the power stroke. 3. Methanol acts as an additional fuel for more power.
A brief history:
Water injection was evaluated scientifically in the 1930's by H. Ricardo who demonstrated that one can basically double the power output of an engine using water/methanol. The first widespread use was during WWII on supercharged and turbocharged aircraft. In 1942, the German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection. The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection. Following the war, the turboprop aircraft industry used water/methanol injection and called it the “automatic power reserve system (APR)†for use in hot or high altitude take off. It surfaced again in the 60's when GM used a system on the OEM turbo Corvair. It was used effectively in Formula 1 before being banned for adding too much power.
The latest competitive use is in World Rally Racing (WRC) where virtually all teams use it in some form and in diesel truck/tractor pulling competition. It is important to note that in the fall of 2004, the long standing world record in the quarter mile for diesels was broken twice (now 7.98 sec)
In gasoline engines, as with any intercooler, this suppresses detonation so more power producing boost and timing can be utilized. Water, with its high latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge and combustion. Methanol cools the charge and combustion but also acts like an extremely high octane fuel (some researchers claim as high as 120 octane) as well as adding more oxygen to combustion.
In diesels, the effect is three fold: 1. The intercooling effect provides for more available air and all the benefits of a higher positive pressure ratio (more power giving fuel can be utilized safely without high combustion temperatures). 2. The combustion of water provides for more power on the power stroke. 3. Methanol acts as an additional fuel for more power.
A brief history:
Water injection was evaluated scientifically in the 1930's by H. Ricardo who demonstrated that one can basically double the power output of an engine using water/methanol. The first widespread use was during WWII on supercharged and turbocharged aircraft. In 1942, the German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection. The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection. Following the war, the turboprop aircraft industry used water/methanol injection and called it the “automatic power reserve system (APR)†for use in hot or high altitude take off. It surfaced again in the 60's when GM used a system on the OEM turbo Corvair. It was used effectively in Formula 1 before being banned for adding too much power.
The latest competitive use is in World Rally Racing (WRC) where virtually all teams use it in some form and in diesel truck/tractor pulling competition. It is important to note that in the fall of 2004, the long standing world record in the quarter mile for diesels was broken twice (now 7.98 sec)
http://enginerunup.com/shop.php/how-...-39-s/i_5.html
There's more info out there, but this should help.
Ooo, I should compile some info and make a FAQ about it, lol.
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RE: New kit
You're absolutely correct Ron. I have an FPB28. It only flows about 520 CFMs and I've got it set at 21psi. W/I is definitely overkill for my setup. Not to mention, I already have an FMIC and no knock. It's just all apart of my devious future planning...buwahahahaha.
Lol, I've got a few overkill parts already though. 780cc injectors, 255 pump, FMIC (not really, but my turbo doesn't need the size that I chose).
I'm going to set my boost at 23psi and then tune for knock. I think this w/i kit will be complete once I get that progressive tuner. The progressive tuner helps with slowly injecting water/meth into the piping instead of just being on or off. At low boost, it'll inject at slower intervals and at high boost it'll flow at full, fast intervals.
DSMs suck!!!!! They suck the money right out of your wallet just for mods, lol.
Lol, I've got a few overkill parts already though. 780cc injectors, 255 pump, FMIC (not really, but my turbo doesn't need the size that I chose).
I'm going to set my boost at 23psi and then tune for knock. I think this w/i kit will be complete once I get that progressive tuner. The progressive tuner helps with slowly injecting water/meth into the piping instead of just being on or off. At low boost, it'll inject at slower intervals and at high boost it'll flow at full, fast intervals.
DSMs suck!!!!! They suck the money right out of your wallet just for mods, lol.
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RE: New kit
very interesting but i think all cars suckthe money out of ur wallet lol when i first read the title of the thread i was like YES someone actually got a body kit the i saw the pic and my heart was broken good luck with the tunin though
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RE: New kit
OOHHH!! i get it now!!!! well yeah thats a really inexpensive and really nice way to save up some power, not only bolt-on but smart wise, and it can help ya take some care of your engine