ok i now hate mitsubishi
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
ORIGINAL: get435
if anything a na 2g would be more of a dsm for the fact it has a chrysler motor on a mitsu made body compaired to a mitsu motor on a mitsu body. but lets stop this arguement It is turning stale.
ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51
im sorry. if it does not have a 4g63 it is not a dsm
ORIGINAL: get435
Well cosidering dsm means Dimond Star Motors and alliance between mitsu/chrysler in all reality it is a dsm also the model info tag says in big assed letters DSM along with all the pannels, doors, hatch and so on.
ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51
technically dsm's are only 4g63 powered eclipse, talon, and laser. the nt arent dsms.
buy an air filter for $40, mbc set at 17psi for $40, take off the exhaust, buy a 1g bov for $30, upper ic pipe for $70, damn thats all you really need, $200 and you could pull off 13's, thats all I had when i ran 13.7 @ 96mph an i couldnt even drive that well. my 60 foot time was 2.0 i believe an awd could pull a 1.7. put a lil race gas in there, an u may even run a little better
technically dsm's are only 4g63 powered eclipse, talon, and laser. the nt arent dsms.
buy an air filter for $40, mbc set at 17psi for $40, take off the exhaust, buy a 1g bov for $30, upper ic pipe for $70, damn thats all you really need, $200 and you could pull off 13's, thats all I had when i ran 13.7 @ 96mph an i couldnt even drive that well. my 60 foot time was 2.0 i believe an awd could pull a 1.7. put a lil race gas in there, an u may even run a little better
im sorry. if it does not have a 4g63 it is not a dsm
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
you have to remember that dsm stands for diamond star motors, not diamond star bodies. The 4g63 motor is the only common thing that all dsms share. nt eclipses have an american made dodge neon motor in them. search google for "dsm 1000 already answered questions" if you need further proof
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
hahaha you guys don't know what you're talking about. Ok my best friend has a 1.6l SOHC VTEC motor and he's doing a small homemade turbo kit right now. The total cost IS going to be right around a grand. He got the turbo itself for only 185 shipped and it's brand new. It's a Garrett T25 that's interally gated at 7 psi
JohnnyRaceCar 6" incooler-185shipped
CCFAB custom mani-165shipped
CCFAB custom intercooler piping-175 shipped
CCFAB custom pre DP-75 shipped with 2 o2 bungs
tuning with Crome(engine management)-FREE!
oil line kit-80 shipped
BOV-100 shipped
DSM 450 injectors with resistor box-around 50 bucks
Autometer boost gauge-50 shipped
MBC-25 shipped from eGay
Greddy turbo timer-80 shipped from eBay...brand new
Total=$985 bitches...all brand new other than the injectors. How's that?
Plus he's got a Zex stg 2 cam already that's a turbo cam by the way. I bet you that he'll be running 13's. All you have to do is look around and you'll find some good deals on stuff. Look around and read the set ups...ppl get 13's all the time with this kind of set up with that same motor. You have to admitt that for a 1.6L SOHC, they can be pretty quick. Now seriously, Im just ****ing around a lot on here when I talk so much **** about Mit's. I honestly just like Honda better after owning a Mit's and having another good friend with a GST. It's stock with an intake and got a 15.7 in the 1/4...and he's not a bad driver. His radiator also cracked. There's one guy at the track around here with a 1g DSM that's got about everything you can get done to a 4g63...I mean pistons, rods, crank, cams, clutch, bigger turbo, custom charge piping, big IC, bigger BOV, 750cc injectors, 3" exhaust, FPR, fuel pump, AFC, and gutted from the drivers seat back. It's a bad *** eclipse, seriously. But....it only runs mid 13's. I know that EVO's are fast as hell. I will say that. And I'd take an EVO any day of the week, but anything other than, I'd take a Honda over. There's just so much to do to them and they have good flowing heads. Sorry to sound like an *** so much though. Anyway, what do you guys think about that set up? Good deal's huh? Check out that site if any of you are looking for good IC's. It's www.johnnyracecar.com
JohnnyRaceCar 6" incooler-185shipped
CCFAB custom mani-165shipped
CCFAB custom intercooler piping-175 shipped
CCFAB custom pre DP-75 shipped with 2 o2 bungs
tuning with Crome(engine management)-FREE!
oil line kit-80 shipped
BOV-100 shipped
DSM 450 injectors with resistor box-around 50 bucks
Autometer boost gauge-50 shipped
MBC-25 shipped from eGay
Greddy turbo timer-80 shipped from eBay...brand new
Total=$985 bitches...all brand new other than the injectors. How's that?
Plus he's got a Zex stg 2 cam already that's a turbo cam by the way. I bet you that he'll be running 13's. All you have to do is look around and you'll find some good deals on stuff. Look around and read the set ups...ppl get 13's all the time with this kind of set up with that same motor. You have to admitt that for a 1.6L SOHC, they can be pretty quick. Now seriously, Im just ****ing around a lot on here when I talk so much **** about Mit's. I honestly just like Honda better after owning a Mit's and having another good friend with a GST. It's stock with an intake and got a 15.7 in the 1/4...and he's not a bad driver. His radiator also cracked. There's one guy at the track around here with a 1g DSM that's got about everything you can get done to a 4g63...I mean pistons, rods, crank, cams, clutch, bigger turbo, custom charge piping, big IC, bigger BOV, 750cc injectors, 3" exhaust, FPR, fuel pump, AFC, and gutted from the drivers seat back. It's a bad *** eclipse, seriously. But....it only runs mid 13's. I know that EVO's are fast as hell. I will say that. And I'd take an EVO any day of the week, but anything other than, I'd take a Honda over. There's just so much to do to them and they have good flowing heads. Sorry to sound like an *** so much though. Anyway, what do you guys think about that set up? Good deal's huh? Check out that site if any of you are looking for good IC's. It's www.johnnyracecar.com
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
EDIT: The total is actually $1070...my dumbass forgot to include the price of the turbo. But either way. Still right around a grand. Not bad huh? Gonna be a damn quick little civic. I'll post some vids in here of it after it's all build.
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
ORIGINAL: 97GSpower
hahaha you guys don't know what you're talking about. Ok my best friend has a 1.6l SOHC VTEC motor and he's doing a small homemade turbo kit right now. The total cost IS going to be right around a grand. He got the turbo itself for only 185 shipped and it's brand new. It's a Garrett T25 that's interally gated at 7 psi
JohnnyRaceCar 6" incooler-185shipped
CCFAB custom mani-165shipped
CCFAB custom intercooler piping-175 shipped
CCFAB custom pre DP-75 shipped with 2 o2 bungs
tuning with Crome(engine management)-FREE!
oil line kit-80 shipped
BOV-100 shipped
DSM 450 injectors with resistor box-around 50 bucks
Autometer boost gauge-50 shipped
MBC-25 shipped from eGay
Greddy turbo timer-80 shipped from eBay...brand new
Total=$985 bitches...all brand new other than the injectors. How's that?
Plus he's got a Zex stg 2 cam already that's a turbo cam by the way. I bet you that he'll be running 13's. All you have to do is look around and you'll find some good deals on stuff. Look around and read the set ups...ppl get 13's all the time with this kind of set up with that same motor. You have to admitt that for a 1.6L SOHC, they can be pretty quick. Now seriously, Im just ****ing around a lot on here when I talk so much **** about Mit's. I honestly just like Honda better after owning a Mit's and having another good friend with a GST. It's stock with an intake and got a 15.7 in the 1/4...and he's not a bad driver. His radiator also cracked. There's one guy at the track around here with a 1g DSM that's got about everything you can get done to a 4g63...I mean pistons, rods, crank, cams, clutch, bigger turbo, custom charge piping, big IC, bigger BOV, 750cc injectors, 3" exhaust, FPR, fuel pump, AFC, and gutted from the drivers seat back. It's a bad *** eclipse, seriously. But....it only runs mid 13's. I know that EVO's are fast as hell. I will say that. And I'd take an EVO any day of the week, but anything other than, I'd take a Honda over. There's just so much to do to them and they have good flowing heads. Sorry to sound like an *** so much though. Anyway, what do you guys think about that set up? Good deal's huh? Check out that site if any of you are looking for good IC's. It's www.johnnyracecar.com
hahaha you guys don't know what you're talking about. Ok my best friend has a 1.6l SOHC VTEC motor and he's doing a small homemade turbo kit right now. The total cost IS going to be right around a grand. He got the turbo itself for only 185 shipped and it's brand new. It's a Garrett T25 that's interally gated at 7 psi
JohnnyRaceCar 6" incooler-185shipped
CCFAB custom mani-165shipped
CCFAB custom intercooler piping-175 shipped
CCFAB custom pre DP-75 shipped with 2 o2 bungs
tuning with Crome(engine management)-FREE!
oil line kit-80 shipped
BOV-100 shipped
DSM 450 injectors with resistor box-around 50 bucks
Autometer boost gauge-50 shipped
MBC-25 shipped from eGay
Greddy turbo timer-80 shipped from eBay...brand new
Total=$985 bitches...all brand new other than the injectors. How's that?
Plus he's got a Zex stg 2 cam already that's a turbo cam by the way. I bet you that he'll be running 13's. All you have to do is look around and you'll find some good deals on stuff. Look around and read the set ups...ppl get 13's all the time with this kind of set up with that same motor. You have to admitt that for a 1.6L SOHC, they can be pretty quick. Now seriously, Im just ****ing around a lot on here when I talk so much **** about Mit's. I honestly just like Honda better after owning a Mit's and having another good friend with a GST. It's stock with an intake and got a 15.7 in the 1/4...and he's not a bad driver. His radiator also cracked. There's one guy at the track around here with a 1g DSM that's got about everything you can get done to a 4g63...I mean pistons, rods, crank, cams, clutch, bigger turbo, custom charge piping, big IC, bigger BOV, 750cc injectors, 3" exhaust, FPR, fuel pump, AFC, and gutted from the drivers seat back. It's a bad *** eclipse, seriously. But....it only runs mid 13's. I know that EVO's are fast as hell. I will say that. And I'd take an EVO any day of the week, but anything other than, I'd take a Honda over. There's just so much to do to them and they have good flowing heads. Sorry to sound like an *** so much though. Anyway, what do you guys think about that set up? Good deal's huh? Check out that site if any of you are looking for good IC's. It's www.johnnyracecar.com
Any one who has all that work on a DSM only getting 13s is either bad driver or in a GST. I have seen more 10 sec GSXs around than hondas. hell how many are there running 8s and 9s now a days in full srteetable form, you wot see any honda do that. like we have been saying all along they can be fast but it isnt built internally to hold up under pressure a GST or GSX was built to take and and with fuel can run 20PSI on the stock internals the civic motor might hold up but all it takes is a pothole on a cold day for the boost to spike hard and pop a motor like that, trust me when I say the 4G63 is much stronger. it all depends on who it is tuneing it and adding power there is a right way and a very very wrong way to do things when it comes to turbo cars
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so how much did it come to with the cam? oh and now he has almost the same turbo as we do stock now let me put 1000-1500 "with cam included" in my car that is a mbc turbo/intercoller upgrade boost gage injectors and fuel pump. and ill bet i will run faster than he dose.
what about a fuel pump can a stock honda fuel pump stand up to those biger injectors? oh and why the hell is he puting a turbo timer on a t25 only running 7psi?
what about a fuel pump can a stock honda fuel pump stand up to those biger injectors? oh and why the hell is he puting a turbo timer on a t25 only running 7psi?
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
ORIGINAL: get435
so how much did it come to with the cam? oh and now he has almost the same turbo as we do stock now let me put 1000-1500 "with cam included" in my car that is a mbc turbo/intercoller upgrade boost gage injectors and fuel pump. and ill bet i will run faster than he dose.
what about a fuel pump can a stock honda fuel pump stand up to those biger injectors? oh and why the hell is he puting a turbo timer on a t25 only running 7psi?
so how much did it come to with the cam? oh and now he has almost the same turbo as we do stock now let me put 1000-1500 "with cam included" in my car that is a mbc turbo/intercoller upgrade boost gage injectors and fuel pump. and ill bet i will run faster than he dose.
what about a fuel pump can a stock honda fuel pump stand up to those biger injectors? oh and why the hell is he puting a turbo timer on a t25 only running 7psi?
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
ORIGINAL: Sanguinius
My question is why only push 7lbs of boost? If that's the case then why bother boosting at all? GO BIG OR GO HOME BABY!!
My question is why only push 7lbs of boost? If that's the case then why bother boosting at all? GO BIG OR GO HOME BABY!!
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RE: ok i now hate mitsubishi
well yea of coures if u put $1500 in a eclipse and the same in a civic ex the eclipse will win just cause the damn thing is a bigger it is a 2.0 and the civic is a 1.6 but still to have a 1.6 the will hang wight a 2.0 is a big deal the and the only reason the eclipse would win just cuase u would nut have to buy a mani or low comp pistons and all that carp but stil for a 1.6 with stock internals other than a cam and springs hanging with a 2.0 that has **** done in the bolck and runing a lot more boost the is sad and if u dont belive that it is posible the go to turbod16.com and wacg some of the video of them on a dyno and look at some sytupes that dont havbe the car and body work and radio **** incouled and yea the cluch should hole the 10psi boost yea the turbo is gated a 7 psi but it has ajustments and he is buying as mbc and a trubo time and all the need **** so there bust in all for real i like mits but i just have to same for price reliability and for a tunner and as a daile drive i will go honda and the eclipse can be keep buy all of u for a lot of money and slow times and not reliable and look at Pollito setup the is nioce for stock ever thing and having 9 psi and a afc and geting 186 hp and 170 ft lbs no be leav that son
