Exhaust and the law
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Exhaust and the law
Wanted to update all on my dealings with the fix-it ticket my son got on his 97 Eclipse. First this is Wisconsin, so things may be different in your state. State trooper gave him a ticket for an "amplified muffler". This is a 4" apex without a silencer. In WI, the law says you cannot modify your exhaust to make it louder than thevehicle originally was (yea, tell that one to all the Harley riders) How is that for vague. Try finding the specs for what this car's decibel level was when new.
We called Apex and purchased their silencer. With the silencer in, the car is much quieter. Son takes the car to the local city police to get it checked off. Officer takes one look and says No. He says he has to replace the muffler with a factory unit.
Well, some things you just accept, others you have to fight just on principle. I got on line and found that the City has a noise ordinance for light vehicles (cars fit this). City ordinance is no car can be louder than 85 dB. Then I found that there is a formal standard for measuring the noise of a car. This is what the manufacturers use to check their cars. The test is the SAE J1169stationary noise tests http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_sp...wrx-hoe-r5.htmThis web site gives information on the procedure.
I happen to be an industrial hygenist, so I have access to a sound level meter and am certified to use it. We set up the car outside according to the specifications and videotaped the process. At 4500 RPM, the car is at 79 dB, that is less that the SAE standard and less than the City ordinance.
I plan on presenting the video and all the statistics to the police. Since they never measured the noise level, if they say no, we go to court.
We called Apex and purchased their silencer. With the silencer in, the car is much quieter. Son takes the car to the local city police to get it checked off. Officer takes one look and says No. He says he has to replace the muffler with a factory unit.
Well, some things you just accept, others you have to fight just on principle. I got on line and found that the City has a noise ordinance for light vehicles (cars fit this). City ordinance is no car can be louder than 85 dB. Then I found that there is a formal standard for measuring the noise of a car. This is what the manufacturers use to check their cars. The test is the SAE J1169stationary noise tests http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_sp...wrx-hoe-r5.htmThis web site gives information on the procedure.
I happen to be an industrial hygenist, so I have access to a sound level meter and am certified to use it. We set up the car outside according to the specifications and videotaped the process. At 4500 RPM, the car is at 79 dB, that is less that the SAE standard and less than the City ordinance.
I plan on presenting the video and all the statistics to the police. Since they never measured the noise level, if they say no, we go to court.
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RE: Exhaust and the law
In some states it is just not leagal to run aftermarket exhausts. Im Ma it is, not that we follow. Sebba you sound like a young idiot when you make comments like that, If it is there state law then it is what it is. its the luck of the draw when you decide not to follow. same goes with window tint and cars ride height they are laws for reasons granted they could find something better to do but again it is what it is.
Id still agree to fight with them of course just see where you get, however in doing so all it is going to do is put a red flag on your sons name and car. They will harass him more I bet in the end because of it. Just like when you fight car tickets often they are more likly to write you up, in comparison to someone who pays them out ( police officers can tell from in there car weather you have fought in court in the past or not and they have the court dates there as well)
For example TheEngineer on here is a close friend he fights every ticket ever guess what he gets pulled over alot I guess youd say and get written up everytime, I have been ticketed only twice and paid both. I have been pulled over just last year like 10 times and no tickets and I was riding on a Ma state rejection for 11 months during this time and had a very illeagal car with illeagal tint ect ect ect.
One time the officer actually asked my about a court date for fighting a ticket and I was like huh??? I have never. Well turns out it was actually my dads record he was looking at (he has the same name) So we got a laugh but either way I guess you get my point maybe by now
Id still agree to fight with them of course just see where you get, however in doing so all it is going to do is put a red flag on your sons name and car. They will harass him more I bet in the end because of it. Just like when you fight car tickets often they are more likly to write you up, in comparison to someone who pays them out ( police officers can tell from in there car weather you have fought in court in the past or not and they have the court dates there as well)
For example TheEngineer on here is a close friend he fights every ticket ever guess what he gets pulled over alot I guess youd say and get written up everytime, I have been ticketed only twice and paid both. I have been pulled over just last year like 10 times and no tickets and I was riding on a Ma state rejection for 11 months during this time and had a very illeagal car with illeagal tint ect ect ect.
One time the officer actually asked my about a court date for fighting a ticket and I was like huh??? I have never. Well turns out it was actually my dads record he was looking at (he has the same name) So we got a laugh but either way I guess you get my point maybe by now
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RE: Exhaust and the law
I know how that sounded. To be entirely honest, i have yet to meet a cop i like. My uncle is a cop, and when he gets into cop mode, he is a dick.
I have a non legal related history related with cops, and a legal related history. Im more than justified to have a strong disslike towards them.
I have a non legal related history related with cops, and a legal related history. Im more than justified to have a strong disslike towards them.
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RE: Exhaust and the law
ORIGINAL: Sebba
I know how that sounded. To be entirely honest, i have yet to meet a cop i like. My uncle is a cop, and when he gets into cop mode, he is a dick.
I have a non legal related history related with cops, and a legal related history. Im more than justified to have a strong disslike towards them.
I know how that sounded. To be entirely honest, i have yet to meet a cop i like. My uncle is a cop, and when he gets into cop mode, he is a dick.
I have a non legal related history related with cops, and a legal related history. Im more than justified to have a strong disslike towards them.
as you get older you start to like them and respect them more. I mean id rather have a cop roming around in my neighborhood than not. as long as I can avoid the hassle. of course no one wants to be hassled but the laws are the laws and some cops are dicks on a power trip. What can you do. I mean people outside of being cops people are still dicks. I am a dick at work because I work in the projects doing cable. as im sure you know in the projects the live off of wellfare and food stamps yet they have to have a huge 50 incher and HD with every channel. those people **** me off. plus they act like they own me and expect me do do everything. I tell them flat out. ill be a dick to them as son as someone down talks me or my job.
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RE: Exhaust and the law
My brother is 29 and hates cops. No record.
I agree with everything you said apart from the age stereotype.
I have yet to meet a cop that was not a dick on a powertrip. I give every cop the same benifit of the doubt.
I agree with everything you said apart from the age stereotype.
I have yet to meet a cop that was not a dick on a powertrip. I give every cop the same benifit of the doubt.
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Im with emonz on this one. Some cops are dicks sure, but ive met alot of cool cops and i used to get pulled over all the damn time. Out of the 12 or more times ive been pulled over ive only got a ticket 3 times. And every time i got pulled over i was going at least 12 over. Not to mention its easy to say you hate cops, but as soon as your in trouble gues who your going to call.
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RE: Exhaust and the law
I was at one time stopped for going 75 in a 50. I was only 16 had my lisence for a month or two. and it was 3 am which is illeagal to be out at the age in MA past midnight. the cop said "hey man, do me a favor just slow it down and get home ok.... have a good night"
Not all cops are dick sebba. that is your age. there is no way when your older and have a fam and a house that you can say that because they will matter at that point and the job they do will matter. I have been stopped by a few that I would love to pop in the jaw but no way in hell I can say all of them other wise my driving record would have like 40+ tickets on it. I get stopped alot for random things but usually the po po shoots the **** with me. Last year a state trooper actually stopped me and was asking about the mods and what the car runs and HP ect ect, and guess what I got away scott free when I was 1} speeding a little 2} had no front plate 3} had a 10 month old failed inspection (which is only legal for 14 days after issue date) 4} tint way to dark for state laws 5} no cat and loud *** exhaust and the tropper made it known that he knew all of this stuff too. So I guess what im getting at is would you call that tropper a dick? esspecailly when he could have pulled my registration on the spot for the rejection being that old. and could have ticketed me for well over $400 in violations.
Not all cops are dick sebba. that is your age. there is no way when your older and have a fam and a house that you can say that because they will matter at that point and the job they do will matter. I have been stopped by a few that I would love to pop in the jaw but no way in hell I can say all of them other wise my driving record would have like 40+ tickets on it. I get stopped alot for random things but usually the po po shoots the **** with me. Last year a state trooper actually stopped me and was asking about the mods and what the car runs and HP ect ect, and guess what I got away scott free when I was 1} speeding a little 2} had no front plate 3} had a 10 month old failed inspection (which is only legal for 14 days after issue date) 4} tint way to dark for state laws 5} no cat and loud *** exhaust and the tropper made it known that he knew all of this stuff too. So I guess what im getting at is would you call that tropper a dick? esspecailly when he could have pulled my registration on the spot for the rejection being that old. and could have ticketed me for well over $400 in violations.
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ORIGINAL: Catch22!
Wanted to update all on my dealings with the fix-it ticket my son got on his 97 Eclipse. First this is Wisconsin, so things may be different in your state. State trooper gave him a ticket for an "amplified muffler". This is a 4" apex without a silencer. In WI, the law says you cannot modify your exhaust to make it louder than thevehicle originally was (yea, tell that one to all the Harley riders) How is that for vague. Try finding the specs for what this car's decibel level was when new.
We called Apex and purchased their silencer. With the silencer in, the car is much quieter. Son takes the car to the local city police to get it checked off. Officer takes one look and says No. He says he has to replace the muffler with a factory unit.
Well, some things you just accept, others you have to fight just on principle. I got on line and found that the City has a noise ordinance for light vehicles (cars fit this). City ordinance is no car can be louder than 85 dB. Then I found that there is a formal standard for measuring the noise of a car. This is what the manufacturers use to check their cars. The test is the SAE J1169stationary noise tests http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_sp...wrx-hoe-r5.htmThis web site gives information on the procedure.
I happen to be an industrial hygenist, so I have access to a sound level meter and am certified to use it. We set up the car outside according to the specifications and videotaped the process. At 4500 RPM, the car is at 79 dB, that is less that the SAE standard and less than the City ordinance.
I plan on presenting the video and all the statistics to the police. Since they never measured the noise level, if they say no, we go to court.
Wanted to update all on my dealings with the fix-it ticket my son got on his 97 Eclipse. First this is Wisconsin, so things may be different in your state. State trooper gave him a ticket for an "amplified muffler". This is a 4" apex without a silencer. In WI, the law says you cannot modify your exhaust to make it louder than thevehicle originally was (yea, tell that one to all the Harley riders) How is that for vague. Try finding the specs for what this car's decibel level was when new.
We called Apex and purchased their silencer. With the silencer in, the car is much quieter. Son takes the car to the local city police to get it checked off. Officer takes one look and says No. He says he has to replace the muffler with a factory unit.
Well, some things you just accept, others you have to fight just on principle. I got on line and found that the City has a noise ordinance for light vehicles (cars fit this). City ordinance is no car can be louder than 85 dB. Then I found that there is a formal standard for measuring the noise of a car. This is what the manufacturers use to check their cars. The test is the SAE J1169stationary noise tests http://www.airpowersystems.com/us_sp...wrx-hoe-r5.htmThis web site gives information on the procedure.
I happen to be an industrial hygenist, so I have access to a sound level meter and am certified to use it. We set up the car outside according to the specifications and videotaped the process. At 4500 RPM, the car is at 79 dB, that is less that the SAE standard and less than the City ordinance.
I plan on presenting the video and all the statistics to the police. Since they never measured the noise level, if they say no, we go to court.