Mitsubishi Montero & Montero Sport This sport utility vehicle offers more size than the other Mitsubishi SUVs, but manages to keep a sporty look and comfortable feel, unlike many larger SUVs.

did I mess up my valves? video included

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 12, 2023 | 10:06 PM
  #11  
MontyPython2023's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 8
Default

Originally Posted by Naeos_Valkarian
So it should be impossible(under any sane circumstances) to move the camshaft any noticeable degree forward or backwards unless the hardware holding it in position was removed or there is some major wear going on which would cause an awesome amount of damage and racket when running the engine. What OP is meaning by "sprung out" is that the camshaft rotated under spring pressure by itself due to the belt not holding it where it needed to be. I swear all it takes is a soft breath to have the camshaft rotate on it's own when both are placed on their timing marks, especially the passenger side bank from my experience. ( I have timed the 6G72 around 7x by now).

There is not enough spring pressure to damage the valves from this happening, however it's more believable that a hose clamp is sitting on top of a valve in the intake(if you removed the intake manifold) or that a simple change in oil brand and filter caused the noticeable ticking to occur. I suppose that if the valvetrain was sitting drained of oil for long enough, air would most definitely have found it's way into a singular lifter. In any case, I would change the oil if you haven't already and make sure to run the recommended 5W-30 along with a good oil filter, I have tried multiple brands of filters and believe it or not, each one has resulted in varying degrees of lifter noise over the years.(likely due to filter quality/oil flow characteristics) It also helps to prime the new oil filter with oil before installing to avoid the lifters being depressed with no oil to replace it.(resulting in air possibly being sucked in to the empty lifters)

I absolutely have to ask and I'm not trying to be presumptuous but from what I've seen, the biggest point of failure for Monteros that have had the timing belt done, is people not setting the hydraulic belt tensioners angle correctly or even not replacing it and it wearing out. I have this picture below to indicate the proper orientation of the tensioner. Now that I'm typing this out, it occurs to me that an incorrectly set tensioner or failing tensioner can in fact cause a tapping noise when the engine is running, this actually happened to me twice when the tensioner went out. (I had gotten two duds back to back, ooof) If this is not the issue and you set it correctly, please disregard, I'm only here to help.
Spoiler
 
hi Naeos_Vlkarian, so the timing belt kit instructions I had said that it does not matter if the 2 adjustment holes of the tensioner pulley appear on the top of the tensioner pulley bolt or the bottom as long as the tensioner pulley has the correct preload? so I put the correct preload on the tensioner pulley and replaced the hydraulic tensioner, pulled the pin and it came out without any resistance as per instruction, so seemed that it was set correctly? however the 2 adjustment holes of the tensioner pulley are on top of the pulley bolt not the bottom as in your pictures, is this a problem?
Please let me know, thank you.
 

Last edited by MontyPython2023; Jan 12, 2023 at 10:09 PM.
Old Jan 13, 2023 | 07:11 AM
  #12  
1960StudebakerHawk's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 483
Default

Very interesting. So we are now considering air in a lifter or possibly the tensioner. Good to hear that the cam shaft did not pop out "forward".

I am betting that the ticking noise will go away after running it some and as the lifter or lifters get pumped back up with oil.
MontyPython....has the ticking noise gone away yet? If not, can you use a long bar/tool to figure out where the noise is coming from?
 
Old Jan 13, 2023 | 10:16 AM
  #13  
Montelander's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 7
From: Southern Indiana / Louisville Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by 1960StudebakerHawk
Very interesting. So we are now considering air in a lifter or possibly the tensioner. Good to hear that the cam shaft did not pop out "forward".

I am betting that the ticking noise will go away after running it some and as the lifter or lifters get pumped back up with oil.
MontyPython....has the ticking noise gone away yet? If not, can you use a long bar/tool to figure out where the noise is coming from?
Studebakerhawk,

I wouldn't consider air in the lifters unless the lifters are old and the seals are worn out. Any working lifter with good seals will completely fill with oil in the first minute of idling. They are fed pressurized oil through the rocker arm assembly.
Prefilling them is just to help with initial start up after installation of new or empty lifters.
​​
I would imagine what ever ticking he has now is what he has got. If he wants to quiet it up oil additives are the easiest.

Good news though is that new or remaned lifter though are like 40 bux for all of them.


Also Monty I wouldn't worry about a tensioner issue. Usually failing hydraulic tensions cause belt slap that sounds like rod knock.

​​​​​

​​​​​​
 
Old Jan 13, 2023 | 11:20 AM
  #14  
MontyPython2023's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 8
Default

Originally Posted by Montelander
Studebakerhawk,

I wouldn't consider air in the lifters unless the lifters are old and the seals are worn out. Any working lifter with good seals will completely fill with oil in the first minute of idling. They are fed pressurized oil through the rocker arm assembly.
Prefilling them is just to help with initial start up after installation of new or empty lifters.
​​
I would imagine what ever ticking he has now is what he has got. If he wants to quiet it up oil additives are the easiest.

Good news though is that new or remaned lifter though are like 40 bux for all of them.


Also Monty I wouldn't worry about a tensioner issue. Usually failing hydraulic tensions cause belt slap that sounds like rod knock.

​​​​​

​​​​​​
Thank you Montelander!

any particular oil additives you can recommend for noisy lifters? Any suggestions welcome.
 
Old Jan 13, 2023 | 01:02 PM
  #15  
Montelander's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 7
From: Southern Indiana / Louisville Kentucky
Default

Montypython,

I personally use Lucas oil stabilizers and run 10w30 instead of 5w30 in my 6g74. If I Am trying to reduce valvetrain noise, I go for thicker or more viscous oil and additives that promote better oil adhesion /oiling like Lucas. That's just what I do. I am sure others in this thread can recommend additional options for oil additives as well

Hope that helps

 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
thedirkman
2nd Generation
5
Jul 20, 2017 11:29 PM
AWorthington
2nd Generation
1
Mar 21, 2011 12:56 AM
corus
Everything else
2
Jun 5, 2010 11:08 AM
red5001
Mitsubishi Montero & Montero Sport
6
Nov 17, 2006 11:19 PM
93eclipsegsx
1st Generation
8
Jan 29, 2006 02:10 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:05 AM.