Thanks for the responses. I am glad that my search started early.

Actually, I was trying to avoid Honda for no particular reason, but maybe that is a solution. I will still keep the Outlander in mind, and will read more posts on this site.

Perhaps the 2011's and 12's have been remedied? It could be too soon to tell. Sometimes by the time you can figure out the answers, the vehicle is not even offered for sale any more in your region / country.

Thanks.

Don