Outlander 2008 4WD lock Stock in snow ???
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I wouldn't saythat it doesn't work when you need it - its just that if you are in that deep on a regular basis, you really need a proper 4x4 with locking diffs (and maybe even off road tires), not AWD and summer tires like on the Outlander. Snow tires would help you out somewhat, however.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
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ORIGINAL: Kwanger
I wouldn't saythat it doesn't work when you need it - its just that if you are in that deep on a regular basis, you really need a proper 4x4 with locking diffs (and maybe even off road tires), not AWD and summer tires like on the Outlander. Snow tires would help you out somewhat, however.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
I wouldn't saythat it doesn't work when you need it - its just that if you are in that deep on a regular basis, you really need a proper 4x4 with locking diffs (and maybe even off road tires), not AWD and summer tires like on the Outlander. Snow tires would help you out somewhat, however.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
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ORIGINAL: rcpax
On the contrary, I've driven my Outlander XLS in manual mode through snow a foot deep and muddy conditions while our subdivision was still in construction (the joys/hassle of being the first one to buy a house there), and so far the vehicle has been totally satisfying to drive. Although I would agree that tires need to match the road conditions. The all weather OEM ones is a compromise but things can probably be a lot better using winter/tarmac/off-road special tires according to the conditions (if you have the money to spare for it). And talking about driving in the desert, Mitsubishi is sending an Outlander in the 08 Dakar to prove that the Outlander is very much capable of doing just that.
ORIGINAL: Kwanger
I wouldn't saythat it doesn't work when you need it - its just that if you are in that deep on a regular basis, you really need a proper 4x4 with locking diffs (and maybe even off road tires), not AWD and summer tires like on the Outlander. Snow tires would help you out somewhat, however.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
I wouldn't saythat it doesn't work when you need it - its just that if you are in that deep on a regular basis, you really need a proper 4x4 with locking diffs (and maybe even off road tires), not AWD and summer tires like on the Outlander. Snow tires would help you out somewhat, however.
The AWD Outie will help in rain, it will help in snow covered roads, it will help on gravel and loose surfaces, but if you are ploughing through fields or driving around in a couple of feet of snow, or driving through the desert, its going beyond what this vehicle is designed for.
The Dakar team with its Outie (as a support vehicle - which means it won't be taking the arduous racing route anyway.....)will have all the right gear (including tires for every foreseeable circumstance).It will be significantly different to stock.
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For interest - have a look at this cool vid showing one of the race Mitsu Pajeros (which bear absolutely *no* resemblance to a road Pajero either as they are purpose built massively expensive race vehicles) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMjhzv_zzE
Pay attention the initial deep sand stuff (shows what I'm on about when I say deep sand!) and look at the size of the tire at about :12 seconds or so, and later at 1:43. Also not just how many different types of tires you see, constantly changing for the different stages.
I know its going OT, but your road Outie cannot do this, and they are not going to be trying to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMjhzv_zzE
Pay attention the initial deep sand stuff (shows what I'm on about when I say deep sand!) and look at the size of the tire at about :12 seconds or so, and later at 1:43. Also not just how many different types of tires you see, constantly changing for the different stages.
I know its going OT, but your road Outie cannot do this, and they are not going to be trying to.
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ORIGINAL: himbeertoni
Yeah, but who knows if theydidn't change the drive train and put some locks in.
Cheers
Himbeertoni
Yeah, but who knows if theydidn't change the drive train and put some locks in.
Cheers
Himbeertoni
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ORIGINAL: Kwanger
For interest - have a look at this cool vid showing one of the race Mitsu Pajeros (which bear absolutely *no* resemblance to a road Pajero either as they are purpose built massively expensive race vehicles) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMjhzv_zzE
Pay attention the initial deep sand stuff (shows what I'm on about when I say deep sand!) and look at the size of the tire at about :12 seconds or so, and later at 1:43. Also not just how many different types of tires you see, constantly changing for the different stages.
I know its going OT, but your road Outie cannot do this, and they are not going to be trying to.
For interest - have a look at this cool vid showing one of the race Mitsu Pajeros (which bear absolutely *no* resemblance to a road Pajero either as they are purpose built massively expensive race vehicles) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMjhzv_zzE
Pay attention the initial deep sand stuff (shows what I'm on about when I say deep sand!) and look at the size of the tire at about :12 seconds or so, and later at 1:43. Also not just how many different types of tires you see, constantly changing for the different stages.
I know its going OT, but your road Outie cannot do this, and they are not going to be trying to.
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Pay attention guys, the problem is the low speed at first movement of the car, in this case the traction control (that receive signal from every wheel) is not able to compare which wheel is loosing grip and at low speed (around 5 mph), it doesn't work and result in a locked vehicle on ice, snow or sand. The only way to mantain the system active is to proceed at a minimum speed of 5 to 10 mph, in this case, the wheels that slip are braked and this result in a tourque tranfer to the other wheel on the same axel (the wheel with more grip)
This is not a problem of our car, all traction control sys works so, and at the moment the only car able to start on low friction surfaces with only a wheel in traction is the new Subaro Impreza :-(
Sorry for my bad english
This is not a problem of our car, all traction control sys works so, and at the moment the only car able to start on low friction surfaces with only a wheel in traction is the new Subaro Impreza :-(
Sorry for my bad english
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Sorry, but I disagree. The subaru impreza or audi torsen differentials have a natural limited slip configuration. While most AWD systems lack the physical ability to lock the differentials internally, the same thing can be accomplished using ABS control on a single side, it just takes a few milliseconds longer. Watching this video, we have no idea what the wheels on the other side of the vehicle are doing, spinning orstanding still. We CAN tell that both front and rear wheels on the one side are spinning evenly telling us that torque is being transfered front to rear in relative even amounts.
The ABS/ASC/TRAC systems on modern vehicles use a hall effect sensor that reads somewhere from 3-5degrees of rotation...that means it reads 80-120 times per wheel revolution and any differences are compared, wheel to wheel. there is no need for 5-10mph to notice differences in wheel speed.
I would bet money that all 4 wheels on that vehicle are spinning at exactly the same speed with the control of side-to-side torque being handled by the ABS and ASC system...unfortunatly, there is no traction to be had at that place in the road. Especially with 18" all season/summer tires.
I suggest you watch this video...no traction means no movement...possibly studded tires would help. They are being idiots, but the traction just isn't there. Watch them start to slide from basically a standstill...watch the wheels front wheels on the one sliding down the road...he's trying to steer, no traction at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzeiMJQrvk
I've been in conditions like this and the impreza/audi wouldn't move either. We (two average guys) actually pushed a 4000lb truck sideways from a standstill...with traction grips on our boots and a pole to lean against with summer tires on the truck...it's all about the friction.
The ABS/ASC/TRAC systems on modern vehicles use a hall effect sensor that reads somewhere from 3-5degrees of rotation...that means it reads 80-120 times per wheel revolution and any differences are compared, wheel to wheel. there is no need for 5-10mph to notice differences in wheel speed.
I would bet money that all 4 wheels on that vehicle are spinning at exactly the same speed with the control of side-to-side torque being handled by the ABS and ASC system...unfortunatly, there is no traction to be had at that place in the road. Especially with 18" all season/summer tires.
I suggest you watch this video...no traction means no movement...possibly studded tires would help. They are being idiots, but the traction just isn't there. Watch them start to slide from basically a standstill...watch the wheels front wheels on the one sliding down the road...he's trying to steer, no traction at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzeiMJQrvk
I've been in conditions like this and the impreza/audi wouldn't move either. We (two average guys) actually pushed a 4000lb truck sideways from a standstill...with traction grips on our boots and a pole to lean against with summer tires on the truck...it's all about the friction.