Can i install A 16g turbo without a install kit on my 1996 tsi and what does the install kit include? and can someone give me some info about installing a big 16g plz

you need an install kit for it. the 16G faces upward where as you T25 faces down so you need the "j" pipe to route it like a 1G and oil feed ect. I know I have posted pics of this before showing the T25 compaired to the 16G on a DSM

Can i use T28 off the nissan pulsar? and can you send me the link that you posted before?

here is one link but no pics just talking about it

http://www.mitsubishiforum.com/m_35116/mpage_1/key_need%252Cinstall%252Ckit/tm.htm#35163

I cant find the other thread there are to many that talk about this and I dont know which on I posted the pictures

so here they are the first is the 1G with a 14b but the 14b faces the same way that the 16G will and the second is the T25
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Turbo3G/1GJpipe.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Turbo3G/T25.jpg

yeah im curious about other things affected by installing a big 16g. Will i need to get bigger injectors? anything else? or do i just get the install kit?

ORIGINAL: Jeffisdecentttttt

yeah im curious about other things affected by installing a big 16g. Will i need to get bigger injectors? anything else? or do i just get the install kit?

to run boost higher than around 12 PSI you should get some injectors and an SAFC or something to tune the car with.

who makes the safc2 ? apexi? and who tunes the car ? you?

will i need an electronic boost controller or is it just set to 12?

ORIGINAL: player69x

who makes the safc2 ? apexi? and who tunes the car ? you?

Yes apexi makes the SAFCII. and Yes I tuned my car It is really easy if you have a wideband o2.. it took me about an hour to tune my car and there was a serious gain in HP after I was done.

And as for needed a EBC you will need either an electric or manual to change your boost and make sure it doesnt get to high.

Stock T25 W\O MBC or EBC runs 10-12 but can handle 16 the stock fuel cant take much after that neither can the T25. The 16G on stock fuel is best to stay around 12 untill you get injectors and a tune

but there is a difference in power between the T25 12 psi and 16G 12 psi riiiiiiiight?[sm=yeahsmile.gif]

or is it alllllllllllllllll about more psi=more power?

how u tune your car with safc2?

ORIGINAL: Jeffisdecentttttt

or is it alllllllllllllllll about more psi=more power?

a 16G flow More effeciently than a T25 so running the same boost will give you better gains that is why you cant run 16PSI with stock fuel on the 16G. PSI doesnot= power exactly... PSI and a good tune will

ORIGINAL: player69x

how u tune your car with safc2?

I have a wideband that tells my o2 readings in digital. stock reading is 9.8 which is really rich... the best place to be is 11.3-11.5 the SAFC is easy to tune its just a knob you turn to take fuel out of the mixture at a giving RPM range. for example my SAFC over 3000-3600RPMs is -4% but 6600-7000 is -19% the car adds more fuel up higher on the RPMs soo I need to subract more to maintain the 11.3-11.5 A\F range

so uh... why is this guy so afraid of the install kit anyway??? al it includes is a j-pipe, some new oil lines and a few gaskets. even if you got a direct bolt on you should still change gaskets.

ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51

so uh... why is this guy so afraid of the install kit anyway??? al it includes is a j-pipe, some new oil lines and a few gaskets. even if you got a direct bolt on you should still change gaskets.

Im not sure...been trying to figure that out

what guy? and i wanna know why hes afraid of the install kit too.

ORIGINAL: player69x

what guy? and i wanna know why hes afraid of the install kit too.

you...you have been trying to avoid getting an install kit from day one

[:-] oh me!!!!! ahhh ahhh ahhh ahhh i pleed the 5th. but i would appreciate if someoene can tell me where i can get my intercooler piping from not the stop one.

What kind of piping? prefab or just bends you can cut and weld?

piping thats already made with all the bends etc. like a intercooler kit without the intercooler just the PIPING

Good luck finding one, unless you know a company that can make you a kit. Not many if any sell just piping with out the FMIC, I don't know why thats just how it is.

muffler shop here i come.

roadrace sells all the bends you need for ic piping, all u need to do is some cutting and maybe have a shop weld i or 2 spots for you.

dsm talon can you tell me what piping to get.?

Ok, so reading this I have a question now.
Scenario. If i was going to update my car to the 16g turbo and ran 10-12psi on that, how much horsepower would I have? You said it flowed more efficiently, which i assume means more power. but i could be wrong, seeing i'm replying to this at 3am. If i was going to run 10-12psi on the 16g w/o new injectors and SAFC thingy, would it be ok for a long time? If i was to put money into a new turbo, wouldn't be eating anything except the dollar menu for a long time.

If i was going to upgrade turbo's would i need to get a FMIC? I mean I want one at some point, and will def buy one, but would I need one right away, or will my SMIC work until the FMIC comes into play?
This is what I've been looking at:
http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=53&

Ok if you want to put a 16g on your car you would need at least a fuel pump i believe. There are people that run the kit w/out injectors but it is definetly not advisible. I don't think that you could effectivly run 12psi on a 16g.

The side mount will be ok...But id say just get the injectors too. you can buy stock evo injectors for cheap and they are 550s which are a great upgrade for the 16G. with those and a pump with the SAFC you could run at 12-21 PSI all you want and tune the car when you need to and you should be making 300WHP on 20ish PSI

Oh sweet! Hmm So fuel pump, Evo injectors, SAFC, and Turbo. How much are we looking at here? What fuel pump should I be looking for?

ORIGINAL: PooT_Nation

Oh sweet! Hmm So fuel pump, Evo injectors, SAFC, and Turbo. How much are we looking at here? What fuel pump should I be looking for?

Walbro 190 is about $80
EVO injectors can get for $200
SAFCII between $150-$310
16G and install kit $600ish (Im am tossing out a number not sure)
dont forget you need a boost gauge, maybe and EGT, and\or a wideband o2
if you dont have one you need a MBC at least too

aww so ya, um, that's not gonna happen any time soon. hahaha.
i assumed that much. So i guess i'll just stick with the T25 for a while. get a MBC and push 14-15psi. think that's too much?
i know i'll need the guage too.

ORIGINAL: PooT_Nation

aww so ya, um, that's not gonna happen any time soon. hahaha.
i assumed that much. So i guess i'll just stick with the T25 for a while. get a MBC and push 14-15psi. think that's too much?
i know i'll need the guage too.

with a gauge and a MBC the stock turbo and fuel of you car can run at 15PSI with no problem at all;)

how much hp do you think that may give me? w/ exhaust, intake, mbc set at 15psi.

ORIGINAL: PooT_Nation

how much hp do you think that may give me? w/ exhaust, intake, mbc set at 15psi.

not much, but TheEngineers TSi AWD stayed dead even with my EVO from 50-90MPH race when I was stock except an intake filter

My EVO stock runs 1/4 in 14.0 with a launch so your car would be faster from a roll then mine was at that time but from a stop you would be looking at 14.4 for a 1\4 mile time unless you drive really good

Your prolly looking at 220 to the wheels if your pushing 15 psi on your stock t25...

If your pushing 20 psi on that 16g it would be a smart thing to put a fmic on there...

ORIGINAL: TheAdvocate

Your prolly looking at 220 to the wheels if your pushing 15 psi on your stock t25...

If your pushing 20 psi on that 16g it would be a smart thing to put a fmic on there...


Really? Only 220? Wow. I was expecting a little more. oh well.