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what does it take to beat a z28?

Old Feb 10, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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IF YOU ARE RACING FROM A STOP YOU WILL STAY AHEAD UP TO AROUND 70-80MPH BECAUSE OF THE LAUNCH, THEN HES GONNA BLOW U AWAY. LT1'S ARENT THAT FAST, BUT FASTER THAN A STOCK GSX. ID SAY DONT WORRY ABOUT THE EXHAUST YET, GET INTAKE, UPPER IC PIPE, BOV, AND BOOST CONTROLLER, AND TAKE SOME WEIGHT OUT (SPARE TIRE, SEATS ETC) YOU SHOULD BEAT HIM
Did you just not read anything else people posted???? He needs exhaust, and what the hell good is UIP and BOV gonna do?? NOTHING!! He WILL NOT beat the Z with the modds you listed. If the camaro has as much HP as the kid says, he might even need a turbo upgrade to get the necessary top end.
apparently you lack the knowledge i have from owning 3 dsms over the last 6 years.
a. he does not need exhaust, exhaust is the least bang for your buck out of any mod. sure it helps, expecially when you run high boost and have a bigger turbo, but is definitely not needed right away.
b. what is an upper ic pipe and bov gonna do?? a lot more than an exhaust. soince he is a 1g the bov is not too critical but upper ic pipe is very restrictive.
c. if he knows how to drive he can easily beat the z28 with those mods. 1gs dont come with dinky t25s, they have 14b's, just a little smaller than 16gs, but can easily run high 12's with

i have an old scc car mag where they ran a 12.8 with a 92gsx, mods were, are you ready: intake, boost controller, upper ic pipe, test pipe to eliminate the cat, no exhaust.
and its not just mags that can run good times, i have a friend who traps 115 in his 92gst on a 14b
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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by the way thats no aftermarket exhaust, they did have the stock one on
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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apparently you lack the knowledge i have from owning 3 dsms over the last 6 years.
a. he does not need exhaust, exhaust is the least bang for your buck out of any mod. sure it helps, expecially when you run high boost and have a bigger turbo, but is definitely not needed right away.
b. what is an upper ic pipe and bov gonna do?? a lot more than an exhaust. soince he is a 1g the bov is not too critical but upper ic pipe is very restrictive.
c. if he knows how to drive he can easily beat the z28 with those mods. 1gs dont come with dinky t25s, they have 14b's, just a little smaller than 16gs, but can easily run high 12's with

i have an old scc car mag where they ran a 12.8 with a 92gsx, mods were, are you ready: intake, boost controller, upper ic pipe, test pipe to eliminate the cat, no exhaust.
and its not just mags that can run good times, i have a friend who traps 115 in his 92gst on a 14b



I could careless how many DSM's you own. You apparently have no knowledge about anything else, and you knowledge of dsm's is kinda ****ty if you are suggesting those mods to run a F-body, maybe from a stop he could pull a lead, which wouldnt last. About 75% of these races are from a roll and he will not win. His car will have no chance if he runs stock exhaust and runs the list of mods you provided. I know the potential of a 1g I owned one, again you obviously didn't read any other post made in this thread. Also that SCCA car has modified exhaust jackass, and its a race car drive who has talent. Ya the 14b has potential if your a good drive, which about 80% of people aren't, so to make it easier and a definite win a turbo upgrade would be sufficient. You can talk all this talk about how you know, I really don't care because when it comes down to it, if it ever did, I know your wrong. But hey get that BOV that'll give you the winning edge.....HAHA NOT!

 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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your reading comprehension sucks. apparently you didnt notice the fact that i already addressed that from a launch the gsx is gong to come out on top, and anything higher than 70mph its going to get blown away stock vs stock. second of all you talk as if all races are from a roll, how would you know its going to be like that, i rarely race from a roll, most people launch when the light turns green. and i dont just talk out of my ***, ive owned a 1g and 2 2g's and have raced my friends 96 trans am over and over in all different circumstances and know how they compare. with those mods i can easily beat an lt1 on a good launch, thats too bad if your 1g couldnt. i dont claim to know everything, but when i post its because i know what im talking about, not to just sound like i do. and arguing on the internet is retarded.
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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dsmtalon does know his ****... I agree tho.. With a boost controller/ differeny bov you can run a higher boost with the 14b turbo... You can boost 17 psi with the 14b, but the bov I don't think can hold that much... Only thing is, with that, I think he would still top out at about 260 hp with just those mods... So I dunno if he could hold him till 70 or 80... Maybe till about 50-60...(from a stop) About 90% of races ive done have been from a stop...
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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well as for the exhaust just run open DP at the least... I wouldnt race with the stock exhaust on there when remveing it will help out. and its a 1G right?? why change the BOV arnt the 1Gs the good ones??

and his car wont be 260HP with those mods maybe at the crank it will but to the wheels no where near that.

in my car running 3-5PSI more and adding an intake BARLEY did anything. I didnt get much gains untill I tuned it and got exhaust. So honestly I think an intake is a waiste of a mod at this point when all he really needs is a filter not a hard pipe and again open DP at the very least with the exhaust on top of a MBC that would be the best bet.

I know my buddies TSi AWD got beat buy a z28.. I was driving the TSi only me in the car and a z came up and we went from about 30ish and I got walked and this talon had intake, 1G BOV, upper IC pipe, MBC 16PSI. granted it is a 2G but I had not chance and the z28 seemed to be stock (exhaust was stock)
 
Old Feb 10, 2006 | 11:10 PM
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Damn why people be taking this **** personal. all the guy wanted was some advice so just give your opinion and keep it moving. Dont argue with each other, nothing gets answered that way.
 
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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Just getting things cleared up...

The stock bov on the 1g is the better one... But it still only holds so much.. Unless he would crush it down(Because of it being metal, not plastic). Which would be a cheaper way of doing it.. But you also could ruin it and have to buy a new one anyways... And yes, he would at best be at 260, thats what i meant by that... Anytime you look at it, when your trying to get big hp gains, theres no cheap way of looking at it.. Your gonna spend a grand or 2 easy... But for about 2grand you could be 350+ hp with the right psi...
 
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 01:10 AM
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On a turbo car the most power gain will come from the exhaust and the MBC. Yes the UIP will give you a good amount as well, but the exhaust is where its at. I have seen cases where an exhaust alone wil drop your 1/4 mile time 1sec.
 
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 03:26 AM
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ok wait. he said his was a STOCK z28 1994. he said it came with 350hp, so im guessing that he BSed it, and it does have 175 hp. and then he said even though he has rwd, he WILL still take me off the line. and my friend with a vr4 said the same. is this correct?
 

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