oh it could be worse...but the whole point of this thread is to show that NA is not the route on a DSM...and also my brother beat a 420a eclipse with his 3rd gen gs only by a length though.

 

I agree totally that turbo is pretty much the only way to make an impressionable gain of power on any dsm.
But when you start with a fully built motor, your going in the right direction to make good gains before the route of forced induction.

 

I agree with joshewuhh, sadly the rs (mine) and the gs are merely show off cars, that engine isnt quite as fast, but it works for me, since everything i see here are crx's modded with steel pipes where the catalyst should be (racing is soooo overrated here, and mods so dumb they even take away the cats for free at some shops)

 

i don't know. i'm from the old school type family. we all like raw natural horsepower. ya know my dad is the one that kept a 4cylinder in a pinto when everybody else went to big blocks. and could still run with them

 

however, when you start building the engine for the all motor route, your not going in the right direction because hes getting higher compression pistons. With a turbo you want like 8.5:1 CR pistons.

 

I like to look at it this way. Take a stock ford focus, non-svt, its like a 16 sec quarter mile car right. (sport compact car tested the focus tuning focus, that was built and turbo'd) even with a huge as blower, a built engine, and it being tuned on a dyno, it was still only a mid 15 second car.

the point here is that if you are going to spend money, spend it wisely, get the best bang for you bucks, After doing all that work to the 420, what are you looking at spending in dollars and time. At least 6 days, if you can get everything out, and the machine shop drops what they are doing and works on your motor first. then, depending on whether or not you assemble you motor or they do, add 2 days if you do it, and do it right, thats if you can work at least 6hrs a day on building a motor, most people prefer to keep a clear head, and do it a littleat a time, making sure that everything is right, (go this route and figre 3, to 4 days). then you have to figure in the work for all the extras, cleaning, (both enging, trans, and accessories, and engine bay) then you have to throw in an extra 8 hours to install the motor (you'd be suprised just how long it can take to drop in any motor into the engine bay of any car) then figure another 4 hours getting everything adjusted, then figure at least 20 runs to the local autoparts store to that you can get stuff you forgot, and hope an pray you got all the parts from mitsu your going to need (new motormounts, brake lines, re-build kits, or new units for the clutch master, clutch slave, and brake master) then, you have spent at least (and this is a rough guess here) at least 7, to 8 thousand dollars on everything you needed to do to have a top performing reliable N/A 420, when you cold have spent half that much, and got more for you money.

Figure at the end of the day, even sprayin a 100 shot, you are still going to be lucky to crack in to the mid 14's. when a gst, or gsx, (correct me if i'm wrong here guys) runs that stock. and god help you if you run across a daddies dollars highschool kid who threw on an intake and exhaust to his otherwise stock gst... damn that'd suck

after that, id want my money back

 

must be nice to only be up against CRX's and some slow honda's.... around here we have a600whp STI, 565whp EVO, 100whp Supra, 2 100+whp Skylines (one RWD one AWD), a couple of sick nasty WS6's, 2 bad *** built vette's, one TT vette, a built cam'd 200shot sprayin camero SS, 3 or 4 400+whp srt-4's, and 1 very very nasty 2.4l kenny bell sc'd cobra built, sprayin, just nasty but nobody knows his hp. last weekend we had a white EVO up here at our normal gathering point on Sat. nights with AMS all over it. so hell if CRX's were all i had to worry about here... i'd keep my lil 420a lol

 

yup i agree with ya sound. The GSX/GST run around a 15.1 stock but easily get to the mid 14's with minimal mods

 

remind me to never come to summervile sc

 

tampa and orlando is far worse. you know its bad why a boyfriend and girlfriend are driving supra with twin setups making 740HP on each lol and there was almost more that just that out there too