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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Phatty McPatty
Why? Turn signals aren't toys, they are safety devices. Installing an 'LED retrofit' in optics designed for a filament bulb ruins the performance of the indicator, which is both dangerous and illegal (see here). And if that weren't enough, I promise you within 6 months these expensive Chinese hack jobs will have failed (do you ever wonder why no legitimate automotive lighting manufacturer produces LED drop-ins? It's certainly not because they [Philips, Osram-Sylvania, GE] don't have the R&D resources or don't see the profit potential!). Swap out the interior lights all you want but leave the regulated, exterior markers alone.
Welcome to the world of vehicle customization buddy. Trust me, I do understand the physics of lighting. I'm not a fan of smoked headlights or tail-lights - kind of analogous to sticking a rag in your horn. I'm not sure where you're getting your promise of 6 months MTBF but I've done LED swaps to my Pathfinder about 3 years ago. Looks great, very happy with the results, viewing angles and brightness are pretty much identical to stock, still running strong (and yes, they were LED bulbs made in China). As long as you do some research and know what to look for, you'll be happy. Thanks for attempting to change my mind, but I'm good.

Now, moving past the troll, if anyone else has something valuable to say that relates to the subject of the thread or to my original question, please chime in!
 
Old Jun 22, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThePPL
Trust me, I do understand the physics of lighting.
Clearly you don't. There's no such thing as one-size-fits-all lighting optics. You can't swap one light source for another and maintain the legal requirements of the beam. Different luminaries (filament, gaseous discharge, LED, laser, etc.) have different output characteristics for which the optics were designed around. Your turn signal reflectors were designed to direct light from a filament that radiates light spherically (360°), so precise that the optics allow for tolerances of only a few millimeters. An LED emits light 180° (at best). In a poor attempt to replicate a spherical light source, several LEDs are arranged in an array around a cylinder. But because the reflectors were designed to direct light from a central point (not several points around a relatively large cylinder), the light bounces off the reflectors at all the wrong angles (or even misses them completely). It's impossible for LEDs to replicate the output characteristics of a tiny, glowing filament using optics designed for a filament (it's a conceptual flaw, not an implementation flaw). To truly synthesize a glowing filament, the LED would need to be the size and shape of a filament AND radiate light spherically. This is physically impossible (i.e., physics). Therefore the light beam (measured at different points) will never meet the requirements of a turn signal indicator (i.e., no longer compliant and now illegal).

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I'm not a fan of smoked headlights or tail-lights
Good, because those safety device "customizations" are dangerous and illegal as well.

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I've done LED swaps to my Pathfinder about 3 years ago. Looks great, very happy with the results
Looking "great" is not a factor in any safety device (nor is whether or not it brings you happiness).

Originally Posted by ThePPL
viewing angles and brightness are pretty much identical to stock
"Pretty much identical" is an example of your subjective opinion. The road would be a terrifying place if laws were based on, "meh, looks good enough to me." Good thing regulations are based on conclusions drawn from objective, unbiased, scientific data.

Originally Posted by ThePPL
As long as you do some research and know what to look for, you'll be happy.
Can you provide links to credible sources that support your assertion? Googling "LED bulbs" and reading marketing claims from vendors or opinions on automotive forums is not considered sound research. Aside from websites that end in .gov or .edu, the automotive lighting forum I linked to previously is a good source of factual information, as is Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy. If you take the time to conduct proper research, you'll quickly find your views and assumptions about automotive lighting are baseless and flawed.

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Thanks for attempting to change my mind, but I'm good.
You're welcome for providing you with unbiased, objective information. Unfortunately you'd rather ignore facts and embrace ignorance. Just because you really, really, really want something to be true doesn't make it reality. The fact is, changing the luminary (e.g., incandescent>LED, halogen>HID) in an exterior lamp is illegal and dangerous, no matter how many times you click your heels together.


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Now, moving past the troll
It seems you also don't understand the meaning of a troll.
 
Old Jun 22, 2013 | 09:48 PM
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Well, you both make good points, but this isn't exactly the right thread for your pissing match.

PPL, I am also a proponent of LED bulbs. I've replaced my running lights (which are only on with the headlights and tail lights anyways), and the license plate lights, and the interior. But Phatty McPatty (who has a hilarious name) is correct. The physics of optics is not something that is debatable. Nor is the physics of light beams (or waves).

Now, also, Phatty, please realize that sometimes OEM designs are not the most optimal. Just because an LED is not legal, doesn't mean it's not better. This is rarely attainable with "off the shelf" LED's though. This usually involves making your own bulbs.
 
Old Jun 24, 2013 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Burtonrider10022
Well, you both make good points, but this isn't exactly the right thread for your pissing match.
Exactly what I was trying to get at. Thank you, let's end the discussion of legality of LEDs and get back to discussing the original question.

If it's that hard to ignore, just forget about my original question about LEDs. Pretend that my question was this:
Both of my front signal lamps have burned out. I can barely afford the tin foil hat on my head and don't have enough money to replace the bulbs. Where I live, it is legal for me to stick my arm out of the window to signal. I still use the signal lever so that the rear signals work but with the front lamps burned out, the flashing rate is too fast (hyperflashing).

Has anyone seen any settings that affect the current measurement on signal lights that may allow us to prevent hyperflashing when a bulb is "burned out"?
 
Old Jun 24, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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Hi!
Is there anyone in the GTA that is willing to meet up and hook me up with a few customizations to my 2010 Outlander XLS.

Vadimus has helped me before…but he doesn’t seem to be aroundanymore.

I would like to enable some features :

-Welcome courtesy lighting

-Remote sunroof closing

Thanks
Dennis
 
Old Jul 2, 2013 | 07:45 PM
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Not sure if someone already posted this but I found it looking thru the service manual and extracted to Word. Could come in handy before you go to the dealer too...
 
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Old Jul 3, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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Well. I just took the plunge and ordered a Lexia 3. ETA is the 20th from Hong Kong. That means there will be one in Calgary, AB. I'm gonna make my 2011 Outie perform the way I want.
 
Old Jul 4, 2013 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by codetrap
Well. I just took the plunge and ordered a Lexia 3. ETA is the 20th from Hong Kong. That means there will be one in Calgary, AB. I'm gonna make my 2011 Outie perform the way I want.
My wife and I live in Edmonton.

I'm very interested in how the lexia works out for you, because I'm seriously considering getting one, too.

I'm particularly intertested in two things. First, eveyone on this thread talks about changing various options such as disabling TPMS, ete., but as far as I can tell, no one has mentioned whether this can do engine, brake, transmission, etc. diagnostic functions.

Second, can the software be run in an Oracle XP VirtualBox window within other operating systems such as Vista, Win7 or even, as I have already set up on our desktop, Win8.

On what system will you install your Lexia?

Thanks.
 
Old Jul 5, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Good morning, first I would like to congratulate everyone involved in this process, I think the idea of ​​Vadimus spectacular.
I bought a Lancer 13/14 2.0 CVT and also the ACTIA (PSA XS EVOLUTION - made ​​in France).
Already formatted the laptop and installed Win XP SP3.

The questions I ask are:
1. I work only with Diagbox or old PP2000 and Lexia?
2. What version do I use the Diagbox (more functions)? Need to do TLDC?
3. Can be installed on the notebook three programs without conflict (Diagbox, Lexia and PP2000)?
4. Must use firmware 4.2.4 for this PSA? (made in france is clone?)

I am interested in the following configurations:
1. Open the doors close with 20 km / h and open in "P";
2. Close the sunroof by remote control (post # 388 of Vadimus);
3. Close windows doors by remote control (if possible);

I also found interesting (if possible)
1. Parking Sensor (post # 596 of Vadimus) - there are OEM parts?
2. Ds mode and ECO (post # 227, # 228 and # 229) to exchange CVT.

Grateful to everyone who can help me!!
 
Old Jul 6, 2013 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Outlaander
My wife and I live in Edmonton.


On what system will you install your Lexia?

Thanks.
Windows 7 comes with a XP virtual machine license built in. I plan on installing it on that.
 

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