Rear fog lights/lamp
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Joined: Sep 2009
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Rear fog light( no soldering, no cutting, no drilling)
Hello JSRD,
Parts have arrived, i.e. Part# 8510A395 ($48.15) - Harness RR End, Part#8518A011 ($28.56) - Harness RR Bumper.
Before disassembling the “rear corner bumper” (please see the attached figure) I would like to know if this action will expose the wiring harness and the connectors F-18 (6-pin) and F-17 (16-pin). As you may know these connectors are responsible for the functionality of the side-marker light and rear fog light. If this task doesn’t need a cumbersome procedure and the connectors are exposed then I may just unplug the old F-17 (16-pin) and plug the new connector F-17 (16-pin). The new harness – Harness Rear End (#8510A395) will connect to Harness RR Bumper (#8518A011) and then connect the branches of this harness to the rear fog light sockets. The original wiring for the side marker, side marker sockets and bulbs will not be touched.
I hope this question can be answered so I can gain confidence to disassemble and reassemble the “rear corner bumper”.
Parts have arrived, i.e. Part# 8510A395 ($48.15) - Harness RR End, Part#8518A011 ($28.56) - Harness RR Bumper.
Before disassembling the “rear corner bumper” (please see the attached figure) I would like to know if this action will expose the wiring harness and the connectors F-18 (6-pin) and F-17 (16-pin). As you may know these connectors are responsible for the functionality of the side-marker light and rear fog light. If this task doesn’t need a cumbersome procedure and the connectors are exposed then I may just unplug the old F-17 (16-pin) and plug the new connector F-17 (16-pin). The new harness – Harness Rear End (#8510A395) will connect to Harness RR Bumper (#8518A011) and then connect the branches of this harness to the rear fog light sockets. The original wiring for the side marker, side marker sockets and bulbs will not be touched.
I hope this question can be answered so I can gain confidence to disassemble and reassemble the “rear corner bumper”.
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After stripping the cover/tapes off the rear end wiring harness and following the wires from the rear side end connectors F-18 and F-17 to F-15 (which are responsible for the rear side marker lights and supposedly also responsible for lighting the rear fog light after reprogramming the ETACS-ECU) I found to my disappointment that MMA has disabled or removed from connector F-17 (female) the wires that are responsible for carrying the current to the side marker lamps once the rear fog light relay is activated by the stalk switch. The pin# 3-2-4-5 and 6 of connector F-17 conduct current to other functions devices located in the rear bumper but the rear fog light current is absent. (There are no wires). By checking the connector F-17 in the European circuit diagram of the rear fog light the pin# 7 is attached to a wire that transmits current to connector F-15 and after lighting the rear fog light the current enters pin# 1 in connector F-17 which brings the current to a grounding point located at the liftgate. In the American model pin# 7 and pin# 1 of connector F-17 are empty.
I am puzzled by this unexpected setback and I am thinking either to see what to do with connector F-17 in order to add wires to spaces of pin# 7 and pin# 1 or ordering from Europe a rear end wiring harness that comes from the factory with just connector F-17 in one end and Connector F-15 at the other end.
I am puzzled by this unexpected setback and I am thinking either to see what to do with connector F-17 in order to add wires to spaces of pin# 7 and pin# 1 or ordering from Europe a rear end wiring harness that comes from the factory with just connector F-17 in one end and Connector F-15 at the other end.
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From: México
Hello Jsrd,
I have approached you a few times to comment about my approach to the rear fog light, without success.
I managed to install and light 2-rear fog lights by turning the stalk switch in the steering wheel. This effect did come about after using the MUT-iii to indicate to the ETACS-ECU that there is rear fog light in the vehicle. However the situation seems to contradict your version:
Q: rcpax
“so you mean to say if the ETACS was programmed correctly, the rear fog indicator on the gauge cluster will light up, and there is an actual bulb/LED built-in already? So what you did was just to add an LED so it will light up because your ETACS was not programmed?”
A: jsrd
“Rcpax, the OEM LED for rear fog is actually in my MMCS, I installed the LED by reason why you comment...”
Although I managed to activate the rear fog light relay in the ETACS-ECU with the stalk switch (lighting switch) signal I haven’t managed to light any rear fog light LED in the instrumentation cluster. In other words it seems that programming the ETACS-ECU didn’t light the LED (rear fog light) in the cluster although according to “jsrd” the LED bulb is already there. By turning the lighting switch to position rear “fog light” it will light only the rear fog light bulbs.
Why you didn’t use the same LED bulb already in the cluster instead of adapting a new one?
So what I did I do wrong? Or what is wrong? The only 2-answer to this problem may be (1) - there isn’t LED bulb in the instrumentation cluster to illuminate the rear fog light icon in my vehicle, or (2) – the ETACS-ECU is not releasing a signal to turn ON the rear fog light LED circuit.
Could you or some members give some clues to this problem?
I have approached you a few times to comment about my approach to the rear fog light, without success.
I managed to install and light 2-rear fog lights by turning the stalk switch in the steering wheel. This effect did come about after using the MUT-iii to indicate to the ETACS-ECU that there is rear fog light in the vehicle. However the situation seems to contradict your version:
Q: rcpax
“so you mean to say if the ETACS was programmed correctly, the rear fog indicator on the gauge cluster will light up, and there is an actual bulb/LED built-in already? So what you did was just to add an LED so it will light up because your ETACS was not programmed?”
A: jsrd
“Rcpax, the OEM LED for rear fog is actually in my MMCS, I installed the LED by reason why you comment...”
Although I managed to activate the rear fog light relay in the ETACS-ECU with the stalk switch (lighting switch) signal I haven’t managed to light any rear fog light LED in the instrumentation cluster. In other words it seems that programming the ETACS-ECU didn’t light the LED (rear fog light) in the cluster although according to “jsrd” the LED bulb is already there. By turning the lighting switch to position rear “fog light” it will light only the rear fog light bulbs.
Why you didn’t use the same LED bulb already in the cluster instead of adapting a new one?
So what I did I do wrong? Or what is wrong? The only 2-answer to this problem may be (1) - there isn’t LED bulb in the instrumentation cluster to illuminate the rear fog light icon in my vehicle, or (2) – the ETACS-ECU is not releasing a signal to turn ON the rear fog light LED circuit.
Could you or some members give some clues to this problem?
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Hi jsrd,
Just to be sure that I understood your photos and your comments. From your messages I understood the following:
(1)- That you indentified indeed the LED bulb (on the plastic printed board), that if properly activated it will light and by doing that it will illuminate the rear fog icon scribbled on the icon panel where all the icons are.
(2)- Although the LED bulb was there, you found out that, the rear fog LED bulb was on its own without any wires going to this LED bulb.
(3)- That you also found out that other LED bulbs weren’t alone and these other LED bulbs were attached or welded to wires.
(4)- You also found out that the icon panel indeed has a rear fog light icon scribbled on it.
Will you please confirm that my understanding of all points (1) to (4) is correct? If it is not true may you correct it?
My approach to the rear fog light implementation has shown that in American Outlanders (as far as my Outlander is concern) there are no rear fog light wires from the ETACS-ECU to the rear of the car and also I may assume that there are no wires to the plastic cluster printed board to carry current to the rear fog LED bulb. If there is no current to the LED bulb the rear fog icon cannot be illuminated.
2010 Outlander GT.
Just to be sure that I understood your photos and your comments. From your messages I understood the following:
(1)- That you indentified indeed the LED bulb (on the plastic printed board), that if properly activated it will light and by doing that it will illuminate the rear fog icon scribbled on the icon panel where all the icons are.
(2)- Although the LED bulb was there, you found out that, the rear fog LED bulb was on its own without any wires going to this LED bulb.
(3)- That you also found out that other LED bulbs weren’t alone and these other LED bulbs were attached or welded to wires.
(4)- You also found out that the icon panel indeed has a rear fog light icon scribbled on it.
Will you please confirm that my understanding of all points (1) to (4) is correct? If it is not true may you correct it?
My approach to the rear fog light implementation has shown that in American Outlanders (as far as my Outlander is concern) there are no rear fog light wires from the ETACS-ECU to the rear of the car and also I may assume that there are no wires to the plastic cluster printed board to carry current to the rear fog LED bulb. If there is no current to the LED bulb the rear fog icon cannot be illuminated.
2010 Outlander GT.
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Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 947
From: México
1. Yes
2. Remember that is a printer board, so there are no wires coming to LEDs, just tracks
3. Yes, it's welded
4. Yes
I think that rear fog LED yes is ready, but this function isn't available in America's Outlanders because Mitsu simply not "installed" this function in our Outies. . .
