blow off valve
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 73
From: Fontana/Rancho Cucamonga, Ca
RE: blow off valve
ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
I agreed with everything you said up until the point you brought F&F into your point. Honestly...If that movie had never come out, would your feelings be the same on the subject? Some people's may, but they wouldn't be reflected off of that movie. No one should judge their taste on something everyone starts doing because of a movie. Some people see it, think it's cool, and are now interested in it. When we're younger, we watch a movie, and in the movie, a guy has a career we think is cool, and we want to do that...I'm just saying that just because someone wants to do something to their car because of a movie, doesn't make it a bad thing. Movies have influenced man since they came out...From sex, to going to the moon.
Just my $0.02 :/
-brandoN^-
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Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 862
RE: blow off valve
ORIGINAL: brandoN^gsT
Okay, I have to make this comment.
I agreed with everything you said up until the point you brought F&F into your point. Honestly...If that movie had never come out, would your feelings be the same on the subject? Some people's may, but they wouldn't be reflected off of that movie. No one should judge their taste on something everyone starts doing because of a movie. Some people see it, think it's cool, and are now interested in it. When we're younger, we watch a movie, and in the movie, a guy has a career we think is cool, and we want to do that...I'm just saying that just because someone wants to do something to their car because of a movie, doesn't make it a bad thing. Movies have influenced man since they came out...From sex, to going to the moon.
Just my $0.02 :/
-brandoN^-
ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
I agreed with everything you said up until the point you brought F&F into your point. Honestly...If that movie had never come out, would your feelings be the same on the subject? Some people's may, but they wouldn't be reflected off of that movie. No one should judge their taste on something everyone starts doing because of a movie. Some people see it, think it's cool, and are now interested in it. When we're younger, we watch a movie, and in the movie, a guy has a career we think is cool, and we want to do that...I'm just saying that just because someone wants to do something to their car because of a movie, doesn't make it a bad thing. Movies have influenced man since they came out...From sex, to going to the moon.
Just my $0.02 :/
-brandoN^-
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Joined: May 2005
Posts: 12,084
RE: blow off valve
ORIGINAL: brandoN^gsT
Okay, I have to make this comment.
I agreed with everything you said up until the point you brought F&F into your point. Honestly...If that movie had never come out, would your feelings be the same on the subject? Some people's may, but they wouldn't be reflected off of that movie. No one should judge their taste on something everyone starts doing because of a movie. Some people see it, think it's cool, and are now interested in it. When we're younger, we watch a movie, and in the movie, a guy has a career we think is cool, and we want to do that...I'm just saying that just because someone wants to do something to their car because of a movie, doesn't make it a bad thing. Movies have influenced man since they came out...From sex, to going to the moon.
Just my $0.02 :/
-brandoN^-
ORIGINAL: DSMTalonAWD51
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
heres my opinion: venting is a bad idea. your car is going to suffer from it, it will decrease your turbo spool up time, wear out your o2 sensor fast, and make your car stall occasionally. get a 1g bov or a greddy type s and be done with it.
That said, since you seem to just want the "ricer" sound that cops love to chase after and middle aged men laugh at/make fun of, and you dont seem to be too concerned with performance, than just vent it and see if it works. all cars reposnd different, some can vent without drivability issues, others cant. This is all assuming stock MAF and no translator. But to buy a GM MAF and translator just so you can vent is retarded. At least get it because you want performance.
For bov's id reccomend the greddy type s because its a quality bov, you can vent it or keep the dump tube on when you find out your car doesnt respond well to venting or you just get sick of the sound, because im sure you will. I vented for a while back in the day, but i got sick of the sound. Now i just cringe at the sound of ricers who drive around blowing off. To me its the sound of slowness and someone just trying to be "fast and furious"
I agreed with everything you said up until the point you brought F&F into your point. Honestly...If that movie had never come out, would your feelings be the same on the subject? Some people's may, but they wouldn't be reflected off of that movie. No one should judge their taste on something everyone starts doing because of a movie. Some people see it, think it's cool, and are now interested in it. When we're younger, we watch a movie, and in the movie, a guy has a career we think is cool, and we want to do that...I'm just saying that just because someone wants to do something to their car because of a movie, doesn't make it a bad thing. Movies have influenced man since they came out...From sex, to going to the moon.
Just my $0.02 :/
-brandoN^-
I had a guy in a 1G blow off his vented type s next to me the floor it and its clear that his car was struggleing is took all day to spool a 14b and then at the next red light his idle was jumping from probaly around 500-900RPMS and then when we start driveing his car started bucking hardcore in first gear while I am next to him laughing. I really dont see the point in venting a BOV unless you have the mods to back it up and keep hte car running the way it should
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Ok i got a question On that flange i noticed there are two types for the same bov but one flange has a bigger tube that connects to the upper IC dose this make any kinda differance? reason i am asking is becuse i am making custom IC piping on my car and when I am going to tig on the flange.
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RE: blow off valve
Wow...
You absolutely DO NOT need the GM Maf, even if you did you would have to get the MAF sensor, and then the MAF Translator box to wire it in for use [:@] Sure it's a decent enough tuning tool but TOTALLY unnecessary.
As was mentioned before, in my opinion you should just get a 1G cbv (what I used to run on my 2G), or maybe a Greddy Type-S, or RS and recirculate that bov. You can still hear it just fine trust me, and you won't have any performance drawbacks like sputtering, stalling, rich between shifts etc. The 1G cbv is very nice sounding on a 2G, holds 19ish psi uncrushed, more if crushed, and can be had for CHEAP! The type-s is what I currently run, and it's alright.
The factory 2G maf can flow right around 450hp which is MORE than enough for 99.9999999999% of typical DSMers, if you plan on having more hp later on then most people run a standalone which is speed density, and again.... Won't require a GM MAF. The benefit of the GM MAF is that it's a "blow through" air metering device and can be installed down on the cold side of your charge air pipe. That way it only measures (and in turn provides fuel for) the air moving through it downstream. Again, not a bad piece but TOTALLY unnecessary.
I don't know where your car stands modification-wise, but it sounds like you're just starting out. Handle the basics first before you move on to things like the maf or whatever. Intake filter and hardpipe, upper intercooler piping, downpipe, catback, recirc'd bov or (and I'm telling you I absolutely LOVED my 1G cbv on the 2G) 1G cbv/bov, 190 or 255lph fuelpump, clutch. Your money can be spent so much better than a GM Maf and translator at this point. This is just my opinion however, take it how you like.
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Just noticed this but....
Pleeeeeasepleaseplease tell me that isn't JB Weld I'm seeing
You absolutely DO NOT need the GM Maf, even if you did you would have to get the MAF sensor, and then the MAF Translator box to wire it in for use [:@] Sure it's a decent enough tuning tool but TOTALLY unnecessary.
As was mentioned before, in my opinion you should just get a 1G cbv (what I used to run on my 2G), or maybe a Greddy Type-S, or RS and recirculate that bov. You can still hear it just fine trust me, and you won't have any performance drawbacks like sputtering, stalling, rich between shifts etc. The 1G cbv is very nice sounding on a 2G, holds 19ish psi uncrushed, more if crushed, and can be had for CHEAP! The type-s is what I currently run, and it's alright.
The factory 2G maf can flow right around 450hp which is MORE than enough for 99.9999999999% of typical DSMers, if you plan on having more hp later on then most people run a standalone which is speed density, and again.... Won't require a GM MAF. The benefit of the GM MAF is that it's a "blow through" air metering device and can be installed down on the cold side of your charge air pipe. That way it only measures (and in turn provides fuel for) the air moving through it downstream. Again, not a bad piece but TOTALLY unnecessary.
I don't know where your car stands modification-wise, but it sounds like you're just starting out. Handle the basics first before you move on to things like the maf or whatever. Intake filter and hardpipe, upper intercooler piping, downpipe, catback, recirc'd bov or (and I'm telling you I absolutely LOVED my 1G cbv on the 2G) 1G cbv/bov, 190 or 255lph fuelpump, clutch. Your money can be spent so much better than a GM Maf and translator at this point. This is just my opinion however, take it how you like.
EDIT>>>
Just noticed this but....
Pleeeeeasepleaseplease tell me that isn't JB Weld I'm seeing
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RE: blow off valve
Hey.. what is a MAf.. sorry i'm really new to the tuning car world, and i just bought a 1995 GST Eclipse and nowi 'm totally researching day and night for the proper tuning to perform my car. My car is an Auto and I already have thse mods..:
Chrome Air INtake with filter,
Aftermarket Exhaust system with loud noise or something,
Eibach Springs,
10.2 mm Spark Plug,
I'm trying to add a BOV, not because of the noise, but i did a research where they say.. The BOV is the first step to protect your turbo engine, cause the leakage of the turbo is annoying and that the new BOV may seal the leak. I wonder if it's a negative effects to it, some says yes. But most say no. I just want my turbo to not leak and have a good performance, i have Greddy type RS. Is there any ways to avoid the heavy amount of fuel, and runs better than before after you install the BOV? thanks.
Chrome Air INtake with filter,
Aftermarket Exhaust system with loud noise or something,
Eibach Springs,
10.2 mm Spark Plug,
I'm trying to add a BOV, not because of the noise, but i did a research where they say.. The BOV is the first step to protect your turbo engine, cause the leakage of the turbo is annoying and that the new BOV may seal the leak. I wonder if it's a negative effects to it, some says yes. But most say no. I just want my turbo to not leak and have a good performance, i have Greddy type RS. Is there any ways to avoid the heavy amount of fuel, and runs better than before after you install the BOV? thanks.
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RE: blow off valve
Yes it is! Trusty JB
We made that intake in about 5 minutes....I had two pipes I powder coated for him before, but his car was in Florida, so I didn't want to weld the dump in the wrong spot. Mike was up for just a week so we did all the mods we could, that would take the least amount of time. Trust me if we had time it would have been welded. You cant beat JB when your in a pinch!
We made that intake in about 5 minutes....I had two pipes I powder coated for him before, but his car was in Florida, so I didn't want to weld the dump in the wrong spot. Mike was up for just a week so we did all the mods we could, that would take the least amount of time. Trust me if we had time it would have been welded. You cant beat JB when your in a pinch!
Joined: Dec 2005
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RE: blow off valve
K ya'll sorry for butting into your convo. but I also have a question and I would like to hear all of your responses. I have a 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse with the v-6. All I have done to it so far is aem cold air intake catback exhaust b$m short shifter clutch and aftermarket wheels. I am really interested in getting a turbo as a matter of fact I am saving money and shopping around presently. I do like the sound of bov's but I do agree they get annoying. I am also very very into the street racing scene. I live in a small town in Missouri but we still hook up every now and then. LOL I just wanted to know what all you guys think would be better for performance as far as venting or not??? I don't really care about the bov sound but want the most power gain possible with my turbo.
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ryan: no vent = better preformance But not sure on a NA car that is than turbocharged can see helping spool times but the running rich factor might not be present for the fact you computer will not exspect it to recurculate.
Street Surgeon & GST: MAS "Mass Air Sensor" also know as MAF "Mass Air Flow Sensor" measures the flow and temperature of the incoming air into the engine and sends this information to the computer so it can adjust fuel air mixture.
Street Surgeon & GST: MAS "Mass Air Sensor" also know as MAF "Mass Air Flow Sensor" measures the flow and temperature of the incoming air into the engine and sends this information to the computer so it can adjust fuel air mixture.