Yea.... but this thread is about getting fuse to work with the MMCS nav system. lol

We have been trying to get that part to work and its been rough.

 

Wow, it's been a while since I've been able to get back on here. I apologize to those that have emailed and that I have failed to get back to them. This has become a low priority after what I've found out. I have some friends that work for Mitsubishi Motors North America and this is what I've found out

* - You are going to need new components ( Blue tooth module (among other things) ; '10 model MMCS unit ) to run the new features on an older outlander. EVen then there is no guarantee. From what I hear they still had to do a firmware update to get the 10 reciever to work on their 09 test vehicle here in the states. IE getting the '10 reciever in the 09 and older outlanders will not guarantee success.

*- Only the most recent ipods will work with the '10 MMCS. If you have an older ipod, it will just not work.

Basically after finding all this out, it seems pretty pointless to try and retrofit as they have purposely made this difficult to do.

I would reccomend maybe selling your MMCS unit and getting one of these instead:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ms/AVIC-Z120BT

Street value : $1000

anyone interested in buying my 09 MMCS unit?

Lately I have been investigating how to quieten my outlander... really loud on the highway which sucks when you have a baby on board.

Also please message me again if you want a copy of those factory manuals on DVD; You would have to pay the cost of a blank DVD and shipping ($3-5 total probably) here in the US. thanks

 

I guess if you don't value the extra data and configuration options that the MMCS gives you, you could buy something else that has similar functionality. The last thing I want to buy the NAV for is for actual navigation...but for the rest of the features.

How much are you selling it for and are you willing to ship it to Canada? If so, I would be interested.

 

Dont worry about the noise and the baby, its actually a good thing as it will allow them to sleep thru noise and not be as sensitive. remember that 5 mos in the womb it was quite noisy! (they only get eardrums half way thru or so)




Now I am guessing I would be running into the same issue using an 09 Navi unit in a 2010?
I really appreciate you coming back to share the info with us!!!!!!

 

I'm looking for diagram of input for USB and iPOD, new bluetoth module.
Someone recognized it ?

Looks like it works with some software versions of MMCS (maybe 50.xx ??? )

All we need, then new version of BT 8785A014
and new MMCS firmware

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/scrip...hp?p_faqid=922

Ipod connector diagram and description maybe can help:

Used in 3rd and later generation iPods for charging, connecting to a PC via USB or Firewire, to a stereo via line-out, to a serial device (controlled via the Apple Accessory Protocol). This connector exists in most Apple iPod MP3 players (iPod 3G, 4G, 5G Video, 5.5G Video, Nano (1G, 2G, 3G, 4G), Mini, Classic, Touch, Touch 2G, and iPhone (1G, 3G and 3GS))

Pin Signal Description
1 GND Ground (-), internally connected with Pin 2 on iPod motherboard
2 GND Audio & Video ground (-), internally connected with Pin 1 on iPod motherboard
3 Right Line Out - R (+) (Audio output, right channel)
4 Left Line Out - L(+) (Audio output, left channel)
5 Right In Line In - R (+)
6 Left In Line In - L (+)
8 Video Out Composite video output (only when slideshow active on iPod Photo)
9 S-Video Chrominance output for iPod Color, Photo only
10 S-Video Luminance output for iPod Color, Photo only
11 GND If connected to GND the iPhone sends audio signals through pin 3-4, otherwise it uses onboard speaker.
12 Tx ipod sending line, Serial TxD
13 Rx ipod receiving line, Serial RxD
14 RSVD Reserved 15 GND Ground (-), internally connected with pin
16 on iPod motherboard
16 GND USB GND (-), internally connected with pin 15 on iPod motherboard 17 RSVD Reserved
18 3.3V 3.3V Power (+)
Stepped up to provide +5 VDC to USB on iPod Camera Connector. If iPod is put to sleep while Camera Connector is present, +5 VDC at this pin slowly drains back to 0 VDC.
19,20 +12V Firewire Power 12 VDC (+)
21 Accessory Indicator/Serial enable Different resistances indicate accessory type:
1kOhm - iPod docking station, beeps when connected
10kOhm - Takes some iPods into photo import mode
68kOhm - makes iPhone 3g send audio through line-out without any messages
500kOhm - related to serial communication / used to enable serial communications Used in Dension Ice Link Plus car interface
1MOhm - Belkin auto adaptor, iPod shuts down automatically when power disconnected Connecting pin 21 to ground with a 1MOhm resistor does stop the ipod when power (i.e. Firewire-12V) is cut. Looks to be that when this pin is grounded it closes a switch so that on loss of power the Ipod shuts off. Dock has the same Resistor.
22 TPA (-) FireWire Data TPA (-)
23 5 VDC (+) USB Power 5 VDC (+)
24 TPA (+) FireWire Data TPA (+)
25 Data (-) USB Data (-)
26 TPB (-) FireWire Data TPB (-)
27 Data (+) USB Data (+)
Pins 25 and 27 may be used in different manner. To force the iPod 5G to charge in any case, when USB Power 5 VDC (pin 23) is fed, 25 must be connected to 5V through a 10kOhm resistor, and 27 must be connected to the Ground (for example: pin 1) with a 10kOhm resistor.
iPod 5G can also be forced to charge by attaching the data + and the data - pins to the 5v via a 10k Ohm resistor ( BOTH PINS) and connecting pin 16 to the 5v (ground). (Confirmed working with iPod 5G 20GB)
To charge an iPhone 3G / iPod Touch 2nd gen or Ipod Classic (6th Gen), usb data- (25) should be at 2.8v, usb data+(27) should be at 2.0v. This can be done with a few simple resistors: 33k to +5v (23) and 22k to gnd(16) to obtain 2v and 33k to +5v and 47k to gnd to obtain 2.8v. This is a notification to the iphone that it is connected to the external charger and may drain amps from the usb.
To charge iPod Nano pins 25 and 27 should be tied together and then connected to a 10K ohm resistor, and the other side of this resistors then needs to be connected to 5v power.
It's also possible to charge the iPod's or iPhone's battery to make use the of internal +3.3v output (18) terminal to connect the USB Data + (27) thru a 47k ohms resistor and the USB Data- (25) thru a 47k resistor to the USB Power source +5v (23). This way the USB function is still useable for normal operations and makes it easier the fit in a plug. The resistors are not to critical 2x 150k's still work.
28 TPB (+) FireWire Data TPB (+)
29,30 GND FireWire Ground (-)

Back side of dock connector;
2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30
1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 25 27 29
Pins 1,2 connected on motherboard.
Pins 15,16 connected on motherboard.
Pins 19,20 connected on motherboard.
Pins 29,30 connected on motherboard.
If you disassemble the original apple-ipod-dock-connector-cable and look at the connector itself, on the back side, where it is soldered, you can see the number 1 and 30 (e.g. pin 1 and 30). In this description NUMBERING is INVERSED: pin 1 is pin 30 and pin 29 is pin 2, so, don't look at numbers on connector.
The remote control, iTalk and other serial devices use Apple Accessory Protocol for communication with iPOD. This protocol was introduced with the 3rd generation iPods, and is also compatible with the 4th generation iPods and mini iPods. The connections uses a standard 8N1 (one startbit 8 data bits 1 Stopbit) serial protocol, 19200 baud (higher rates up to 57600 also possible, but speed faster than 38400 may cause problems with large amounts of data), delay of 12 microseconds inserted between end of the stopbit and the beginning of the next startbit (also working without this delay).
Electrical: high +3,3V low 0V
default line state: high. Codes used for communication with peripherals are here
This device may be connected to the firewire computer port by straight cable (TPB+/-, TPA +/- should be twisted pairs in cable)

iPod Nano 4th Gen no longer will charge from 12 volts on the firewire pins. If you tie pins 25 and 27 together through a 10K ohm resistor while applying +/- 5 volts to pins 23 and 15 (or 16) that it will charge. If you don't tie 25 and 27 together, it won't charge.

iPod Touch 2G requires pin 11 connected to 15/16, then connect that to pin 21 with a 68kOhm resistor to use the audio line out. This is because the device needs to be told to redirect the signal to the Line Out pins rather than to the built-in speaker. This explains why certain accessories won't work with the iPod Touch 2G and maybe even the iPod Touch 3G. The Nano 5G will require the pin 11 connection but not the 68kOhm resistor for redirecting audio.

Nano 5G: connecting the 68kOhm resistor to ground will disable the audio redirection accomplished by connecting pin 11 to ground.

 

Look here, https://mitsubishiforum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=36233, post #9, for USB box

Great find the part number for bluetooth module, the mine is 8785A009

 

Yes,
thanks for Your help, any other help will very approciate too

I need USB in my car, I'm not satisfying with my MMCS

I know guy from Russia, who did working connecting with simply Mitsu 1 CD-Radio nr: 8701A298



There are differences wirh wires, "OLD BT" has only 10 wires:



"NEW 2010 BT" nr: 8785A014 has 13 wires



Connection description:

10 wires has are the same
2 - power supply
3 - Mic
3 - Audio BT
2 - CAN

BT 2010 ---------- ----------- Description Wires 2007/09

1 - Red / White Power ------- 12 -------- Red / White
17 - Black Mass -------------- ---------------- Black

11 - Yellow ------------- -------------- CAN Bus Yellow
25 - Red ------------ -------------- CAN Bus Red

14 - Pink -------------- ------------ Microphone Pink
28 - Blue Microphone ---------------- ------------ Blue
27 - Black -------------- ------ Microphone Screen Brown

8 - Black --------------- Audio from BT to CD-Radio ------ Black
22 - White --------------- Audio from BT to CD-Radio ------ White
23 - black screen Audio -------------- ----------- Green

(14,28,27 8,22,23 and wires from the machine are united in threes and coiled gray duct tape is not to be mistaken, and that many black wires)

2 - Purple --- wire from BT to the CD-Radio to the lesser of two blocks (18 pin) Contact Number 1
15 - Pink --- wire to contact number 17, there is already a pink wire must be hooked to it
16 - Grey --- wire to contact number 10

In the empty sockets of CD-Radio inserted free connectors mounted on the CD-Radio wiring, seems to MMCS connect.
-----------------------------------------

As he wrote new bluetotth module DOESN't work with old 1 CD-Radios.
Why? He doesn't know exactly, probably there are differences in firmware
Physically units looks the same, but who knows about any changes of electronic inside

I know also other russian guy who has working connectiong with MMCS.
He wrote there is a problem with synchronisation MMCS and BT module when he starts engine of a car, sometimes he has to switch on and off few times, then display start showing iPOD, USB BlueTooth active .
I'm keeping open eyes about it,
I asked Russian guys to give me more info about firmware versions but they have a very strange for us numbering.
He wrote: BT works whith russion R-03 software 1.13. Firmware Version BT-module = 8.00

 

Yes its changed completely.

 

Sooo, Do You have 2010 MMCS unit ? Diagrams ?
Of course we are talking about new/last versions of MMCS not MMIS ?
Do You know what are differncies exactly?
I have a second MMCS from 2007 for experiments, I hope we can do functionality of 2010 with new Bluetooth
Do You think? Is it/will be possible?

 

nope, I have the 2007-2009 series MMCS.

I worked with mitsubishi for a couple hours as they reviewed everything and the architechure (chipset) of the 2010 is completely different. Also take into the account that the navigation unit on 2010 utilizes software to control the new bluetooth module.

I thought I made a thread about it already but I guess not.